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LongShiKong
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| buravirgil wrote: |
| I don't quite follow the logic of the earliest works being exhaustive/comprehensive. |
My argument was that the NTC book didn't live up to its cover's claim to be a 'comprehensive guide' by omitting a 'famous' family(pun intended). It does have its advantages, however and seems well worth the purchase price.
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| Fluffy first mentioned Ayto and Ayto does do what you're talking about. Most entries end with connections to others, are often surprising, ... |
Yes, I've often been surprised too having bought my copy in 2006. It would be nice to see a column 'Y' in the WFF (Word Family Framework) for cognates hyperlinked:
So, in this case:
Cognate: Gr. pheme, phama (speak)
blasphemy, euphemism
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| I'm unsure how one would go about "doing it themselves". I'm intrigued, yet skeptical. |
What I meant by 'it' was creating the WFF spreadsheet as it exists. Long ago, I'd located the KET and PET vocab lists CUP's placed online but hadn't located any such 'official' lists for levels B2-C2 and didn't think there were any so I was willing to settle for the best recommendation. The challenge would've been in figuring out how to sort the multiple lists by root rather than first letter so as to reduce the time and effort required to move and merge cell contents. Have I lost you yet? 
Column 'X' would've been the easier task of simply comparing data. It's nice to see that the British Council has done it all for us, though. 
But back to Ayto's surprising cognates, since I'd scanned and PDF'd my copy way back when--nice to have it on my phone---a few months ago, I tried extracting just the headwords and those cognates given their unique textual treatment. My single page test worked perfectly but when I tried it on a few other pages, I ran into a snag and I haven't gotten back to it since.
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| LongShiKong wrote: |
| What I meant by 'it' was creating the WFF spreadsheet as it exists. |
Got it.
Cool stuff all around. |
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LongShiKong
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| fluffyhamster wrote: |
| defining vocabulary |
That's the term I was trying to recall. I'd assume it would comprise a significant chunk of A1 to maybe B1. The WFF contains 6,000 headwords implying 14,000 are----what's the word for it?--- permutations. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Permutations is OK, though I'd say 'derived forms' (derivations) and 'compounds' myself. (See the 'How large is the WFF?' section on the 'About' page of the WFF  ). |
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