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seyz
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 Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:37 am Post subject: University jobs in China |
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Hello everyone,
I am looking to obtain some information about teaching university jobs in China. I am currently working in Japan as an English teacher and translator and am nearing the completion of my PhD in a social science field. I have quite a bit of experience teaching English and have a number of academic credentials.
I am looking to get out of my current job as quickly as possible and would like to know what the conditions are working in China at the moment? Would someone with my credentials be hired easily at a university? Where should I search for such jobs? These are the two big questions I have at the moment.
Thanks for the information in advance. |
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rioux
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| You are more than qualified so you can virtually choose anywhere that opens up. The terms here begin about September 1st and March 1st. Some places will hire for October 7th (or so) after many freshman finish their military training - or if a teacher got sick and left (or sick of it and left). |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Your PhD work won't be worth spit until you complete your studies and have your degree in-hand. That means that you'll be working for MA pay of 5,500-6,000 rmb per month at most public universities. This number may vary by a few shekels depending upon the school and the city.
You may qualify for employment at international schools even if you haven't completed your PhD.
As for conditions in China for western teachers, it really depends upon the city and the school. As always, there is a need for qualified individuals in every type of school. |
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Old Surrender
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| With those types of qualifications, I would look at C9 schools, which are China's Ivy League schools. Pay is decent and you will be in a real city with amenities similar to Japan, but in need of a pressure wash. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Old Surrender wrote: |
| With those types of qualifications, I would look at C9 schools, which are China's Ivy League schools. Pay is decent and you will be in a real city with amenities similar to Japan, but in need of a pressure wash. |
I agree. But the PhD studies are worthless without the degree. |
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The bear
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| With those types of qualifications, I would look at C9 schools, which are China's Ivy League schools. Pay is decent and you will be in a real city with amenities similar to Japan, but in need of a pressure wash. |
Going to have to disagree with this. Just because they are 'C9 schools', doesn't meant they will offer better deals. Granted, I can't speak for all 9 of the schools, but I have experience with 3 of them. It may be true for the other 6, but I'm skeptical of this.
Tsinghua - 10,000/ month (9,000 after tax), living in international students' dorms, hot water only certain hours of the day, private bathroom shared living room/kitchen. Have to create your own curriculum and semesters are 20 weeks long.
Zhejiang uni - 7,000/ month, everything else average.
Peking uni - 9,000/ month, everything else average.
Sure, these are 'better' than the average university position, but they ask a lot more and don't provide a lot more. There are average universities out there that have a higher salary and a better package overall.
Given OP's qualifications and experience, they should be looking at joint venture universities. |
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CNexpatesl
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How does one normally find a university job? Agents? Echinacities?
I've tried applying directly by sending out my resume to a few but never heard back. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Important to think in terms of 'qualified' prospects and 'non-qualified'.
Qualified are places that are advertising currently. It's late for the Sept start season and early for the Spring start season.
Accordingly qualified prospects are not that plentiful right now.
My advice is pick a city. Look at the Wikipedia listing and on the side bar you'll find an 'Education' link.
This will give you a list of the local unis and vocationals although unlikely these are links. You'll have to back to Google with the name and find an English page with a link to FAO, Recruitment, Employment or similar.
Make your pitch for a Feb start with a 'earlier by arrangement' tag and see what happens.
Don't expect too much but better than doing nothing. |
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Timer
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| The bear wrote: |
| Going to have to disagree with this. Just because they are 'C9 schools', doesn't meant they will offer better deals. |
Usually the better the university, the worse the job is. Some shitty no-name university is going to pay more for a few simple speaking classes a week and nothing else (no meetings or lesson plans or other bullshit). The students are going to be pretty much the same as everywhere else.
Unless you desperately want to have a fancy uni on your cv (why??) then I can't see any point in bothering with them. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Timer wrote: |
| The bear wrote: |
| Going to have to disagree with this. Just because they are 'C9 schools', doesn't meant they will offer better deals. |
Usually the better the university, the worse the job is. Some shitty no-name university is going to pay more for a few simple speaking classes a week and nothing else (no meetings or lesson plans or other bullshit). The students are going to be pretty much the same as everywhere else.
Unless you desperately want to have a fancy uni on your cv (why??) then I can't see any point in bothering with them. |
So true.
Wouldn't want to do the job with any sense of professionalism or adding value. |
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3701 W.119th
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Lesson planning is BS now?
What? |
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cormac
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| Timer wrote: |
| The bear wrote: |
| Going to have to disagree with this. Just because they are 'C9 schools', doesn't meant they will offer better deals. |
Usually the better the university, the worse the job is. Some shitty no-name university is going to pay more for a few simple speaking classes a week and nothing else (no meetings or lesson plans or other bullshit). The students are going to be pretty much the same as everywhere else.
Unless you desperately want to have a fancy uni on your cv (why??) then I can't see any point in bothering with them. |
Because you might want to try something different? I've worked in 3 colleges, an institute, and two universities. Each was a very different experience.
If you're bothered about money, then China isn't exactly the best place... but most uni teachers make their main money from outside the university... and use the university for visa/holidays.
My own current university pays the lowest of all the uni's... but... it has the highest number of female students in my city...  we all have different reasons for working somewhere...
Private colleges or institutes typically pay the most and offer the best extras. Universities usually dont pay much, and the extras aren't impressive.
Lastly.. to the OP... be careful of the internet.. My first college advertised itself as a different university, along with having the contract in their name, and only changing it when I'd arrived in China to sign it. Honesty is not a strong concept in China... and universities/colleges aren't any better.. in many ways, they're worse. Saying that though... I would never return to full-time teaching in a language mill. College/uni level is perfect for your main job. Mine anyway.  |
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Lucky707
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| Your PhD work won't be worth spit until you complete your studies and have your degree in-hand. That means that you'll be working for MA pay of 5,500-6,000 rmb per month at most public universities. This number may vary by a few shekels depending upon the school and the city. |
These numbers just aren't true anymore. When I did my job search this past summer, two of the three universities I was offered a contract for were paying 8000rmb. These jobs are out there and you don't need an MA for them.
OP should be able to get his pick of the litter if he applies at the right times. Have no idea about getting a university job this minute though since the semester is already underway and all. |
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buravirgil
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edited in deference to oragutangs
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Lucky707 wrote: |
| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| Your PhD work won't be worth spit until you complete your studies and have your degree in-hand. That means that you'll be working for MA pay of 5,500-6,000 rmb per month at most public universities. This number may vary by a few shekels depending upon the school and the city. |
These numbers just aren't true anymore. When I did my job search this past summer, two of the three universities I was offered a contract for were paying 8000rmb. These jobs are out there and you don't need an MA for them.
OP should be able to get his pick of the litter if he applies at the right times. Have no idea about getting a university job this minute though since the semester is already underway and all. |
You're talking about public UNIVERSITIES?
Give me the names of a couple so I can check them out.
Thanks in advance. |
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