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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:16 am Post subject: |
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On a related note...
Weird questions Saudis face abroad
By Shahd Alhamdan, Saudi Gazette | 9 October 2015
Source: http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20151009259130
MANY Saudi tourists when traveling abroad often face a barrage of unrealistic questions and encounter strange opinions about the Kingdom from local people in the countries they visit. Saudis often react differently when people start asking them nonsensical questions about the Kingdom.
Saudi Arabia is a country that intrigues many people around the world, especially the West. Most foreigners who talk to Saudi tourists seek to satisfy their curiosity by asking strange and irrational questions. Several Saudis told Saudi Gazette about their experiences when faced with strange questions about the Kingdom. In such situations, Saudis either react passively or become aggressive.
Ahmed Nassar, a Saudi financial analyst in his late 20s, said, “Some people abroad view Saudis as uncivilized Arabs. They assume so many things regarding the Saudi lifestyle, wealth and polygamy. People ask whether I own an oil well, or whether I’m a prince. They also assume I must be a good Muslim as I am a Saudi, or a terrorist. They are totally brainwashed. I’ve also been asked how many bank accounts I have.”
Moath Saleh is a Saudi web developer in his 20s. He spoke of some of the “weird” questions that people abroad have asked him or while communicating to them over the Internet. “People most of the times ask why I do not have much money even though I am a Saudi. They ask whether I’m involved in the petroleum business and whether I have an oil well at home,” he said. “I’ve also been asked why I, as a Saudi, play video games, why I’m not a terrorist, why I listen to music, why we have Internet in Saudi Arabia, whether we use camels for transport, and why we use vehicles when the Kingdom is largely desert,” he added.
Sarah, a Saudi female in her 20s who wished for her surname not to be published, said many people are surprised that she is studying abroad as a Saudi female. “They ask about women in the Kingdom, whether we are able to live normal lives and whether we get our human rights,” she said. “Westerners and even Arabs ask questions that sometimes become annoying such as whether women in the Kingdom get their rights in spite of not being able to drive. They ask why women cannot drive, why I dress fashionably as a Saudi, why Saudi women go to work and stuff like that,” she said.
Some people abroad may get shocked when they learn that some Saudis are of mixed ethnic origins, especially those who live in the western region of the Kingdom. Afnan Al-Kokandi, a Saudi female in her 20s who lived in the US for around seven years, said that most people were surprised when they came to know she was a Saudi of Uzbek origin. “I do not get annoyed because I expect them to feel surprised and inquisitive. I did not choose my nationality and where I come from,” she said.
Rayan Bawayan, a Saudi in his late 20s who studied abroad, said many people were shocked when he told them he was a Saudi and that his family originally came from Indonesia. “I’ve got used to the reactions,” he said.
Nassar explained that he does not get annoyed by people who ask questions regarding the Kingdom. However, he feels the reaction of some Saudis when facing questions is not correct. Some Saudis do not feel comfortable when foreigners ask such questions. “It is very annoying that Saudi Arabia is a strategic Islamic country but not many people know about it,” said Saleh. He explained that people are either afraid or angry when they discover that he is a Saudi. “This is because they have a wrong impression about Saudis. At first, I was open to people’s questions and used to welcome discussions, but not anymore,” he said. “At the beginning, I used to try to answer people’s questions and would tell them about my country. However, as time passed I kept hearing the same questions time and again. I now respond in a tough way,” he said. “I respond sarcastically. I respond by telling them to think about it, if my country was totally desert then how did I fly abroad. If people ask whether I own petrol, I usually answer yes and say I have a tap at home and sell oil when I’m short on cash. Sometimes, when speaking using social media, I tell them I’m seated on a camel with my laptop in front of me,” he said.
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In the heat of the moment

Joined: 22 May 2015 Posts: 393 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Imagine how they'd react if they understood many teachers (and others) would never set foot in their country.. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:42 am Post subject: |
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It is interesting to reflect on the common stereotypes of foreigners. How do people in other countries perceive us ?
"Oh wid some Power the giftie gie us
rae see oorsels as ithers see us" |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Camels...my students reported after having revealed themselves as Saudi in a chatroom, they were often asked how many camels they owned.
An entire nation that prohibits tourist visas might expect misperceptions.
Weird is one of those words that has lost its nuance, from the Anglo-Saxon for fate or destiny, now most often synonymous with strange. But its nuance is not lost in conflicted, verbal expressions of both disbelief and expectation.
"How weird is that?" Can Convey both surprise and a reckoning after the fact.
It's related to ward, a guarded place or destination, and is retained as a suffix for prepositions, conveying a purpose or domain. |
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scot47

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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| No tourist visa but more then 2 million pilgrims on Haj this year and countless more on Umrah. Of course WASPs do not go on pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| No tourist visa but more then 2 million pilgrims on Haj this year and countless more on Umrah. Of course WASPs do not go on pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina. |
And 2 million is what percentage of a Muslim faith? My point being pilgrims are of a devout faith, singularly focused on an objective and experience little of Saudi Arabia but its transit points and an emphemeral affiliation of similarly oriented people. They experience less than an average tourist, which is to say very little other than the religious (and subjective) experience it is. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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How about staying on topic...  |
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scot47

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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| My point was that KSA gets visitors - just not many from Des Moines. |
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sicklyman
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:59 am Post subject: |
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I think the way to solve it and to get a balanced perspective from outside the Kingdom on everything inside it is to regularly read The Arab News online.
It certainly helped me see that this is a country like any other.
Take today for example. Visit the site and you see a picture of two women. One has her eyes uncovered, the other is completely covered. The article begins
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Election officials have warned all 366 registered women candidates against addressing voters directly. They have asked them to appoint agents to do this on their behalf.
The officials have also directed these candidates to create separate sections for men and women at their campaign headquarters.
The officials said that violators of gender segregation rules will be fined SR10,000. |
Why would this be seen as weird is beyond me. |
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gregory999

Joined: 29 Jul 2015 Posts: 372 Location: 999
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| sicklyman wrote: |
| It certainly helped me see that this is a country like any other. |
In what sense is the Magic Kingdom is like any other country? |
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rollingk
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 212
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:38 am Post subject: |
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The questions in the article, with the exception of those posed to the woman, reflect a lot about the kinds of people Saudis generally gravitate toward when they are abroad: plainly ignorant as well as venal. Are we surprised?
And what's wrong with those questions asked to the woman. Absent the local "brainwashing", maybe she could grasp the implications of not being allowed to drive, etc.. |
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scot47

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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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"Gulliver's Travels" and "Alice in Wonderland" are recommended before visiting Hejaz-Nejd. Of course these days few graduates know what a book is.
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| A dog ate their homework. |
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bigdurian
Joined: 05 Feb 2014 Posts: 401 Location: Flashing my lights right behind you!
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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perhaps any newcomers are too busy making a life for themselves, meeting people, making friends, going out and having fun, getting wasted etc etc......
rather than spending their time looking at a forum like this, which essentially, is something you do when you have nothing else to do. |
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tony87
Joined: 21 Jul 2015 Posts: 43
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| bigdurian wrote: |
perhaps any newcomers are too busy making a life for themselves, meeting people, making friends, going out and having fun, getting wasted etc etc......
rather than spending their time looking at a forum like this, which essentially, is something you do when you have nothing else to do. |
Getting wasted and having fun in KSA? LOL, nice joke mate.
I'll tell you all again - there is NO FUN in the KSA, and no alcohol either. |
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