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Unmotivated, disrespectful university students
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Spyro in retrospect. There is no earthly incentive even in the public unis, to improve teacher standards. They are diploma mills and their 'ranking' is solely based on the funding they attract - not teaching excellence.
The student who told me about sock puppet guy said a few years later that she was so relieved when I took over as Oral English teacher*. These kids were so Westernised and English-savvy that they knew they were being short-changed but were either too polite to do anything about it, or knew the school wouldn't react if they did.
That same school allowed an American lady who was a competitive bridge player, to turn her classes into bridge sessions.
My response to classes that are prone to goof off is to make them so edgy and unpredictable that they don't dare lose attention.
I always select students for dialogues completely randomly. Actually I let students lucky dip the names so they are part of my 'reach' as the teacher.
* It may have been because anyone would be better than sock guy.
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Shanghai Noon



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to suspend judgement until I witness "sock guy" in action.
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm going to suspend judgement until I witness "sock guy" in action.



that is very sock'holarly of you ....
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just recalled another detail about sock guy my student told me.
These sessions came when he was running out of lesson plan ie with about 20 mins to go.
He would duck down behind the metal cabinet that holds the computer gear, slip off his shoes, remove his socks and then these would appear above the metal cabinet and this 'conversation' would begin.
He was a Brit apparently but I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse.
I wrote a section on 'Hell is other teachers' in a publication and he didn't feature as I didn't actually witness the fiasco.
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Shanghai Noon



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asiannationmc wrote:
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I'm going to suspend judgement until I witness "sock guy" in action.



that is very sock'holarly of you ....


I like to use the Sock'ratic method to evaluate the teachings of others
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
There is no earthly incentive even in the public unis, to improve teacher standards. They are diploma mills and their 'ranking' is solely based on the funding they attract - not teaching excellence.


This is true of many U.S. universities as well. Funding + the number of top twenty university graduate faculty largely determines rank, no matter how crummy a large percentage of the faculty members may be.
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guobaoyobro



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always like to think back to my years in school.

Would I want to listen to myself?

Am I being "that guy?"

Is this interesting?

Now, times all of the would-be issues by 5, and add a filter of noise and clutter on it. Remember, you're not speaking to them in Chinese.

A little energy has gone a long, long way with me.

I also like to start with good warm-ups, every class, even if there's a lot to cover on said day. 10 minutes of warm-up can lead you through hours of drudgery, if you play it right.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guobaoyobro wrote:
I always like to think back to my years in school.

Would I want to listen to myself?

Am I being "that guy?"

Is this interesting?

Now, times all of the would-be issues by 5, and add a filter of noise and clutter on it. Remember, you're not speaking to them in Chinese.

A little energy has gone a long, long way with me.

I also like to start with good warm-ups, every class, even if there's a lot to cover on said day. 10 minutes of warm-up can lead you through hours of drudgery, if you play it right.


Absolutely right re warm up. I found it such a positive influence that i would have a warm down as well - usually just a repeat of the song, but sends the students off to lunch or their next class in a +ve frame of mind.
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
guobaoyobro wrote:
I always like to think back to my years in school.

Would I want to listen to myself?

Am I being "that guy?"

Is this interesting?

Now, times all of the would-be issues by 5, and add a filter of noise and clutter on it. Remember, you're not speaking to them in Chinese.

A little energy has gone a long, long way with me.

I also like to start with good warm-ups, every class, even if there's a lot to cover on said day. 10 minutes of warm-up can lead you through hours of drudgery, if you play it right.


Absolutely right re warm up. I found it such a positive influence that i would have a warm down as well - usually just a repeat of the song, but sends the students off to lunch or their next class in a +ve frame of mind.


Are you talking about Chinese University students? A song? Really?
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For freshmen.
Wouldn't expect to introduce it for sophomores.
My style is so freakin in your face that they have no choice but to sing.
Besides when the video is working I use a live performance of ABBA.
The boys have a permanent hard on over the blonde.
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I in the past tried and instill the ideology of ACAB through the delightful and joyful sounds of NWA ...there is nothing like a union of freshmen voices shouting the refrain of Fu-- the Police
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find ABBA safer than NWA and less likely (so far) to attract the school's thought police.
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ABBA: What a loo!
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't choose ABBA for other than lesson reasons.
Their songs meet my criteria for maximum involvement especially those boys who are not really participating but MAY be tempted to get their mojo going again in a song.
Also it's pretty well anonymous.
Freshmen have had no oral English for a year due to the dreaded Gao Kao.
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't choose ABBA for other than lesson reasons.


hey cuz, you don't need to defend your choice, heck it's your class ... run it the way you see fit.
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