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gossamerwillow
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| I spoke with the recruiting company earlier and my passport is supposed arrive back by Wednesday. I did get a FEC and I definitely did come in on a Z visa. I will need to get it back to confirm what it says. In other news, I spoke to the recruiting company regarding the matter of hiding in the closet. Really, at this point the truth of it doesn't even matter. The fact is something illegal is going on or the school wouldn't want to hide us. To me, there are so many bad things that could happen if I were caught and I am not okay with taking the penalty for it. Anyway, the recruiting company has agreed to switch me schools. I'm hoping this might alleviate some of the big issues that are currently pressing me. If this doesn't work out, then I think I will say bye bye and head back home and start again somewhere else. I will at least be able to say I gave it my best, or maybe that I was a total fool... But, the company is paying for the plane ticket, so I don't have too much to lose this time. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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My question: Why are you working for a kindergarten as a foreign English teacher in an area that DOES NOT allow foreign teachers to teach kindergarten, and for a school which cannot hire foreign teachers? You are working illegally ... it's as simple as that.
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Whoa. I wasn't aware of that. I know two foreign teachers who teach kindergarten in Jiangsu province. One has been doing it for about twelve years, and the other has been doing it for five years. |
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GreatApe
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| Whoa. I wasn't aware of that. I know two foreign teachers who teach kindergarten in Jiangsu province. One has been doing it for about twelve years, and the other has been doing it for five years. |
Bud, I'm not sure whether this is the case in Jiangsu or not. I was just going off of what the OP put in his/her original post. I don't think it's a "uniform" rule or law (T.I.C.), but I do know it has become more common in and around China. I live and work in Guangdong and the kindergartens in the city where I live used to be knocking down the doors looking for foreign teachers to teach the youngsters. Now, it seems, only a few kindergartens in the city can hire foreigners, and I don't know if it's legal or not.
Not sure if it's a reaction to changes in the GaoKao and de-emphasizing English, or if it's a case of not wanting too much "Western influence" on youngsters and university students alike. I just know that kindergarten jobs for foreigners here have become more scarce and my Chinese colleagues tell me it's more difficult to hire foreigners at kindergartens now.
Good Luck and Keep Going!
--GA
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gossamerwillow
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
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My question: Why are you working for a kindergarten as a foreign English teacher in an area that DOES NOT allow foreign teachers to teach kindergarten, and for a school which cannot hire foreign teachers? You are working illegally ... it's as simple as that.
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Whoa. I wasn't aware of that. I know two foreign teachers who teach kindergarten in Jiangsu province. One has been doing it for about twelve years, and the other has been doing it for five years. |
Yes, I only found this out (or was told this) yesterday. But, I am leaving Thursday and going to a high school in Anhui province. So, this issue won't be an issue for me much longer thankfully. Hopefully, no other issues come up with this other school... |
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GreatApe
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| Yes, I only found this out (or was told this) yesterday. But, I am leaving Thursday and going to a high school in Anhui province. So, this issue won't be an issue for me much longer thankfully. Hopefully, no other issues come up with this other school... |
IMHO, a very smart move. Not sure if they're "phasing out" foreign English teachers at the kindergarten level uniformly or not, but I think you have made a wise choice.
Protect yourself first (CYA!), and worry about your school, company, employer after that.
Good Luck at your new school!
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote:
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| Whoa. I wasn't aware of that. I know two foreign teachers who teach kindergarten in Jiangsu province. One has been doing it for about twelve years, and the other has been doing it for five years. |
Bud, I'm not sure whether this is the case in Jiangsu or not. I was just going off of what the OP put in his/her original post. I don't think it's a "uniform" rule or law (T.I.C.), but I do know it has become more common in and around China. I live and work in Guangdong and the kindergartens in the city where I live used to be knocking down the doors looking for foreign teachers to teach the youngsters. Now, it seems, only a few kindergartens in the city can hire foreigners, and I don't know if it's legal or not.
Not sure if it's a reaction to changes in the GaoKao and de-emphasizing English, or if it's a case of not wanting too much "Western influence" on youngsters and university students alike. I just know that kindergarten jobs for foreigners here have become more scarce and my Chinese colleagues tell me it's more difficult to hire foreigners at kindergartens now.
Good Luck and Keep Going!
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I doubt very little these days. In fact, I doubt less and less whenever I hear about changes in laws pertaining to FTs. Enforcement is always spotty, and those who should know about the laws are often unaware. |
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Markness
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| gossamerwillow wrote: |
| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| GreatApe wrote: |
My question: Why are you working for a kindergarten as a foreign English teacher in an area that DOES NOT allow foreign teachers to teach kindergarten, and for a school which cannot hire foreign teachers? You are working illegally ... it's as simple as that.
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Whoa. I wasn't aware of that. I know two foreign teachers who teach kindergarten in Jiangsu province. One has been doing it for about twelve years, and the other has been doing it for five years. |
Yes, I only found this out (or was told this) yesterday. But, I am leaving Thursday and going to a high school in Anhui province. So, this issue won't be an issue for me much longer thankfully. Hopefully, no other issues come up with this other school... |
Don't forget the mop!
But seriously, I am very happy to hear that you have taken off from that circus. This is also one of the funniest stories I have ever heard because of the whole closet thing... sorry :p |
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asiannationmc
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| Don't forget the mop! |
Maybe in her next work unit, the school will provide a broom with a "full" handle |
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guobaoyobro
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Good luck in your new endeavors. I'm sure you'll look back on this and laugh. (Unless something terrible happens on your way out.)  |
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gossamerwillow
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| Thank you for all the well wishes everyone! I'm leaving Thursday, thankfully. It seems that it will be better at this new school. It's in Wuhu and it does seem to have what I was originally promised in the very beginning. I have hope it will be good. Thank you for all your help everyone! |
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The_Kong
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you for all the well wishes everyone! I'm leaving Thursday, thankfully. It seems that it will be better at this new school. It's in Wuhu and it does seem to have what I was originally promised in the very beginning. I have hope it will be good. Thank you for all your help everyone! |
Quick question to avoid another post in a couple weeks, are you getting your residence permit transferred to Wuhu or is the recruiting company just shipping you there and pretending that's ok and no further steps are needed? |
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gossamerwillow
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you for all the well wishes everyone! I'm leaving Thursday, thankfully. It seems that it will be better at this new school. It's in Wuhu and it does seem to have what I was originally promised in the very beginning. I have hope it will be good. Thank you for all your help everyone! |
Quick question to avoid another post in a couple weeks, are you getting your residence permit transferred to Wuhu or is the recruiting company just shipping you there and pretending that's ok and no further steps are needed? |
Well, here's another sticky issue. I don't think the company is intending on transferring the residence permit because I don't think it was ever established in Yantai to begin with. Everything I did was in Hangzhou. So, based on an earlier post, I would guess that the company does something where it licenses everyone in Hangzhou and sends them out to work in various provinces. I don't know whether this is correct or not because I can't get anyone here to give me a straight answer. I'm hoping to avoid what happened at this new school because if the kids were too young, well I won't have that problem in a high school. If the school isn't licensed, I don't really know how to find that out ahead of time. Of course, I suppose the chances of that could be fairly high. |
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rogerwilco
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| Everything I did was in Hangzhou. So, based on an earlier post, I would guess that the company does something where it licenses everyone in Hangzhou and sends them out to work in various provinces. |
Are you working for the infamous "Hangzhou Helen" ?
That company goes by many names, Hangzhou Zhejiang University Helen China TEFL Network Co., Ltd (abbreviated as China TEFL Network or CTN). |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| gossamerwillow wrote: |
| The_Kong wrote: |
| gossamerwillow wrote: |
| Thank you for all the well wishes everyone! I'm leaving Thursday, thankfully. It seems that it will be better at this new school. It's in Wuhu and it does seem to have what I was originally promised in the very beginning. I have hope it will be good. Thank you for all your help everyone! |
Quick question to avoid another post in a couple weeks, are you getting your residence permit transferred to Wuhu or is the recruiting company just shipping you there and pretending that's ok and no further steps are needed? |
Well, here's another sticky issue. I don't think the company is intending on transferring the residence permit because I don't think it was ever established in Yantai to begin with. Everything I did was in Hangzhou. So, based on an earlier post, I would guess that the company does something where it licenses everyone in Hangzhou and sends them out to work in various provinces. I don't know whether this is correct or not because I can't get anyone here to give me a straight answer. I'm hoping to avoid what happened at this new school because if the kids were too young, well I won't have that problem in a high school. If the school isn't licensed, I don't really know how to find that out ahead of time. Of course, I suppose the chances of that could be fairly high. |
Hold your horses. There is a reason why paperwork is done in one city and the job is in another city. If the "school" is a chain franchise, each location must be in business for a minimum of thirteen months before it can even apply to hire foreigners. The company may be applying for your residence permit in Hangzhou because the out-of-town McSchool hasn't been in operation for the full thirteen months. If the Powerz That Bee make a surprise visit, you're cooked unless the local owner-operators can convince them that your presence is only temporary and that you'll return to Hangzhou the next day or so.
Been there, nearly done that.
Be careful. |
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isitts
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| If this doesn't work out, then I think I will say bye bye and head back home and start again somewhere else. I will at least be able to say I gave it my best, or maybe that I was a total fool... |
No need to be so hard on yourself. I don’t think there are many of us in this industry that can say something like this has never happened to them. Just live and learn. Sounds like things are looking up for you now. Hope everything goes well! |
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