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Non Sequitur
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My first job in 2004 got me 4500 per month + the usual package items.
In my 3 years, I couldn't separate my fellow teachers based on degrees or certs. Some of the most engaged and popular teachers I saw had no degree but an empathy with young people and Chinese in particular.
My pet peeve is those who imply: 'Why should I make an effort, when I'm paid so little?' |
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Guerciotti
Joined: 13 Feb 2009
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Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea and Singapore are much cleaner and pay better too. You can stay in China as long as YOU like, but next year I'm headed to Singapore where I can earn $40K a year for 5 days instead of $18K for 6 days in China. Health comes before money in my book. |
Blue Skies wrote:
...They also claimed I was "qualified for 4 other positions" even though I have no university degree....
You're going to work in Singapore without a degree? Making $40k a year? Doing what? You should coordinate your internet personalities, know the profile of the characters you create.
I'll stay in China. I know I lack the qualifications to teach in Singapore. |
Away from the ad hominen stuff this is an important point. |
It is not ad hominem, it is relevant criticism. He states in another topic that he started, that he does not have a degree. So what will he do in Singapore for $40k per year?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=112813&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=university+degree
Regardless, choose to teach in China or Singapore, but like you wrote, China has less stringent requirements. Now, I am no expert on teaching in Singapore or anywhere for that matter, but I believe Singapore requires a teaching certificate or BEd, MEd. Apologies if I am mistaken.
Yes, China has some rather thick air, but not all of China. Then again, there is likely less money to be made where the air is cleaner, though not exactly clean.
Gaaaa why do I even bother? |
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Blue Skies
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry I was traveling for the holidays and just caught up with this thread. The job offered to me in Singapore is doing voice recordings for a talking book company. I don't need any degree for that.
Also I see the U.S. Embassy issued an Urgent Health Warning for asthma patients to avoid China travel until mid April. I suppose that may be when the coal plants are shut down? |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
| Non Sequitur wrote: |
| Guerciotti wrote: |
| Blue Skies wrote: |
| Korea and Singapore are much cleaner and pay better too. You can stay in China as long as YOU like, but next year I'm headed to Singapore where I can earn $40K a year for 5 days instead of $18K for 6 days in China. Health comes before money in my book. |
Blue Skies wrote:
...They also claimed I was "qualified for 4 other positions" even though I have no university degree....
You're going to work in Singapore without a degree? Making $40k a year? Doing what? You should coordinate your internet personalities, know the profile of the characters you create.
I'll stay in China. I know I lack the qualifications to teach in Singapore. |
Away from the ad hominen stuff this is an important point. |
It is not ad hominem, it is relevant criticism. He states in another topic that he started, that he does not have a degree. So what will he do in Singapore for $40k per year?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=112813&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=university+degree
Regardless, choose to teach in China or Singapore, but like you wrote, China has less stringent requirements. Now, I am no expert on teaching in Singapore or anywhere for that matter, but I believe Singapore requires a teaching certificate or BEd, MEd. Apologies if I am mistaken.
Yes, China has some rather thick air, but not all of China. Then again, there is likely less money to be made where the air is cleaner, though not exactly clean.
Gaaaa why do I even bother? |
'ad hominem' probably a bit strong but I try to take posters at face value.
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Guerciotti
Joined: 13 Feb 2009
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Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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'ad hominem' probably a bit strong but I try to take posters at face value.
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No worries!
I learned a lot from this topic! If I grow tired of the pollution in China, I can earn $40,000 per year in Singapore doing voice recordings for a talking book company! Without a degree.
I think that is good news for many people. Where do I apply?
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
| Non Sequitur wrote: |
'ad hominem' probably a bit strong but I try to take posters at face value.
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No worries!
I learned a lot from this topic! If I grow tired of the pollution in China, I can earn $40,000 per year in Singapore doing voice recordings for a talking book company! Without a degree.
I think that is good news for many people. Where do I apply?
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Form an orderly queue behind ME! |
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wawaguagua
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| Alas, if you've been living in China's polluted air for too long, no Singaporean talking book companies will want your raspy, asthmatic voice recordings. They only want the pure voices of angels sent down from the blue skies. |
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asiannationmc
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| They only want the pure voices of angels sent down from the blue skies |
That must be the reason that Tom Watt's is doing a remake of Bidadariku |
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roboman6
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Well the air can be bad, but dealing with it is simple:
- Get the aqicn app and check the PM2.5 level before leaving the house.
- Don't do sports outdoors when the levels are medium. (deeply breathing particulate matter is the real danger)
- Don't go out without mask if levels are high.
- keep your windows shut and air out the room only when levels are safe. (or air it out as often as you like if you use an air purifier afterwards)
Depending on the city, the percentage of days where you are totally safe without a mask varies between 20 and 90 percent.
If you regard all this, you will live as long and healthy as in any clean western place.
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Thank you for giving some good insight on this topic. Is there a better thread for this topic? I am interested in learning more about how air pollution might affect a persons lifestyle since I plan on teaching in China this spring.
There is a lot of hype about air quality and I want to know how seriously I should take the medias' spin on this issue; how exaggerated is it?
For those who teach or have taught in China:
At what levels of p2.5 do you start wearing a mask?
Would you ever wear a mask while teaching and if so does it impact your ability to teach?
For people who go to the gym do you wear masks when you workout?
Do schools purify classroom air?
You mentioned air purifiers. Is there a particular kind or style you would recommend?
I am really excited about going to China and I plan on making the best of it. |
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tyroleanhat
Joined: 21 Oct 2013
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Location: Austria / China
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well the air can be bad, but dealing with it is simple:
- Get the aqicn app and check the PM2.5 level before leaving the house.
- Don't do sports outdoors when the levels are medium. (deeply breathing particulate matter is the real danger)
- Don't go out without mask if levels are high.
- keep your windows shut and air out the room only when levels are safe. (or air it out as often as you like if you use an air purifier afterwards)
Depending on the city, the percentage of days where you are totally safe without a mask varies between 20 and 90 percent.
If you regard all this, you will live as long and healthy as in any clean western place.
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Thank you for giving some good insight on this topic. Is there a better thread for this topic? I am interested in learning more about how air pollution might affect a persons lifestyle since I plan on teaching in China this spring.
There is a lot of hype about air quality and I want to know how seriously I should take the medias' spin on this issue; how exaggerated is it?
For those who teach or have taught in China:
At what levels of p2.5 do you start wearing a mask?
Would you ever wear a mask while teaching and if so does it impact your ability to teach?
For people who go to the gym do you wear masks when you workout?
Do schools purify classroom air?
You mentioned air purifiers. Is there a particular kind or style you would recommend?
I am really excited about going to China and I plan on making the best of it. |
Most Chinese outside of first-tier cities are not that health-conscious yet, so you will hardly see Chinese with a mask in those cities.
Gym: depends if the windows are open or closed. Even not perfectly sealed windows protect you pretty well from outside air, as long as they are closed. a typical cheap gym (like the one i used) has 20 open windows and everybody would just workout regardless of any airpocolypse. So I preferred to workout on days with good air, or I used a mask sometimes (a curious thing for most Chinese, as I said they are not that aware yet. I didn't care at all what they were thinking)
Teaching: as you are not breathing that deeply, I wouldn't worry too much. maybe you can take care of the windows being shut and/or get an air purifier in your class room.
I bought a decent one on taobao for 800 yuan - just read the reviews (forgot the brand's name of mine)
another way to have good air is to live above the 20th floor (I think that's the number I heard where the air starts to get better). If you live on the 40th floor of a skyscraper you have good air all year long. |
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weigookin74
Joined: 30 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| tyroleanhat wrote: |
| roboman6 wrote: |
| tyroleanhat wrote: |
Well the air can be bad, but dealing with it is simple:
- Get the aqicn app and check the PM2.5 level before leaving the house.
- Don't do sports outdoors when the levels are medium. (deeply breathing particulate matter is the real danger)
- Don't go out without mask if levels are high.
- keep your windows shut and air out the room only when levels are safe. (or air it out as often as you like if you use an air purifier afterwards)
Depending on the city, the percentage of days where you are totally safe without a mask varies between 20 and 90 percent.
If you regard all this, you will live as long and healthy as in any clean western place.
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Thank you for giving some good insight on this topic. Is there a better thread for this topic? I am interested in learning more about how air pollution might affect a persons lifestyle since I plan on teaching in China this spring.
There is a lot of hype about air quality and I want to know how seriously I should take the medias' spin on this issue; how exaggerated is it?
For those who teach or have taught in China:
At what levels of p2.5 do you start wearing a mask?
Would you ever wear a mask while teaching and if so does it impact your ability to teach?
For people who go to the gym do you wear masks when you workout?
Do schools purify classroom air?
You mentioned air purifiers. Is there a particular kind or style you would recommend?
I am really excited about going to China and I plan on making the best of it. |
Most Chinese outside of first-tier cities are not that health-conscious yet, so you will hardly see Chinese with a mask in those cities.
Gym: depends if the windows are open or closed. Even not perfectly sealed windows protect you pretty well from outside air, as long as they are closed. a typical cheap gym (like the one i used) has 20 open windows and everybody would just workout regardless of any airpocolypse. So I preferred to workout on days with good air, or I used a mask sometimes (a curious thing for most Chinese, as I said they are not that aware yet. I didn't care at all what they were thinking)
Teaching: as you are not breathing that deeply, I wouldn't worry too much. maybe you can take care of the windows being shut and/or get an air purifier in your class room.
I bought a decent one on taobao for 800 yuan - just read the reviews (forgot the brand's name of mine)
another way to have good air is to live above the 20th floor (I think that's the number I heard where the air starts to get better). If you live on the 40th floor of a skyscraper you have good air all year long. |
Curious, are some more expensive gyms keeping their windows closed and using some kind of air filtration system? In your apartment, you use an air filtration system? How do you order off taobao? DO you need a Chinese to order for you? As for living on a very high floor, are you really above the bad air? How affordable is an apartment like this, say a one bedroom (assuming Beijing)? |
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tyroleanhat
Joined: 21 Oct 2013
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Location: Austria / China
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| weigookin74 wrote: |
Curious, are some more expensive gyms keeping their windows closed and using some kind of air filtration system? |
I would only imagine, since new and more expensive buildings often use filtered air condition. Best to ask the gym first.
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In your apartment, you use an air filtration system? |
I heard about a one-size-fits-all filter from Japan, specifically designed to pull over regular air conditioners. It should be on taobao but I didn't find it yet..
Apart from that, I didn't use the air conditioner when the air was bad. Or I would put on air con, leave the room, and then clean the air with my air purifier for some minutes.
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| How do you order off taobao? DO you need a Chinese to order for you? |
yes, that's what everybody recommends. I had my students order it for me, or colleagues. Pretty straight-forward.
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| As for living on a very high floor, are you really above the bad air? How affordable is an apartment like this, say a one bedroom (assuming Beijing)? |
I am not 100 % sure what are the numbers, in which height above the ground the air gets better. But it must be somewhere in the internet, it's just physics.
as of affordability, all I can say that I took a 30th floor hotel-room in the heart of Chongqing, and it was really the cheapest of all hotels I could find. In the center of Beijing or Shanghai I can imagine it would be very costy, no matter which floor.. |
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Longer
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| No problem Bubba - just don't inhale! Actually I read something that puzzles me. They said in China Daily newspaper that the air in the subway was worse than the surface air that is all smoggy. How can this be? Their is no gritty smog in the subways which has a filtered ventilation system and looks a helluva lot cleaner than topside??? |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Longer wrote: |
| No problem Bubba - just don't inhale! Actually I read something that puzzles me. They said in China Daily newspaper that the air in the subway was worse than the surface air that is all smoggy. How can this be? Their is no gritty smog in the subways which has a filtered ventilation system and looks a helluva lot cleaner than topside??? |
Where does the air in their vents come from, darn topsiders. |
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