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matador



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:28 am    Post subject: EF in China? Reply with quote

What kind of people work for EF? I heard they will take anyone. Does EF have a good reputation in China?
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Taiping04



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, they took "ludwig", although his current persona is strangely quiet about that episode in his life. His earlier incarnation, Bertie, certainly wasn't so reticent. A warning about upsetting the sponsors maybe?
Do a search. There must be hundreds of EF entries. A former poster and moderator here, who I have a lot of respect for, works in EF's publishing division. She says some of the franchises are excellent. So its like the curate's egg: good in parts.

[I'll now wait for the Whiner to quote me in full, then add some inane comment to confirm his cerebral dwarf status.]
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Mister Al



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:50 pm    Post subject: EF Reply with quote

Definitely agree. It depends on the owners/directors and DoS of the franchise whether you have a good experience. I've been a DoS for the company and been really lucky with the people I work with. By the way, teachers work a 5 day week except for a few weeks during high seasons ( 3 weeks winter school holidays and also July/August) when it's a 6 day week
Contracts state 40 hour week but maximum contact is 20 hours pw (low season) and 26 hours pw. Overtime paid above this.
My teachers would average 14-18 contact hours plus a few more doing demos, placement tests, english corner etc. All the schools have good supplementary material, modern classrooms, computer labs etc.
So if you get lucky with the owners etc you should be well looked after
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cj750



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:57 pm    Post subject: ef Reply with quote

You can do better than EF...their pay is low and hours long

Be sure to check with a search of topics on this site...some are highly thought of and others , like Changchun are not...
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Norman Bethune



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: EF Reply with quote

Mister Al wrote:
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Definitely agree. It depends on the owners/directors and DoS of the franchise whether you have a good experience. I've been a DoS for the company and been really lucky with the people I work with. By the way, teachers work a 5 day week except for a few weeks during high seasons ( 3 weeks winter school holidays and also July/August) when it's a 6 day week



Recruiter, shill, apologist, Bs'er, Liar, Delusional. These are just some of the words which spring to mind after reading the above.

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Contracts state 40 hour week but maximum contact is 20 hours pw (low season) and 26 hours pw.


And I have a bridge in London I will sell you for a pound....

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Overtime paid above this.
My teachers would average 14-18 contact hours plus a few more doing demos, placement tests, english corner etc. All the schools have good supplementary material, modern classrooms, computer labs etc.
So if you get lucky with the owners etc you should be well looked after


Please reveal yourself.....Mr Chevroelle.
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mike w



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumour has it that EF in China will probably be finished withtin the next 18 months. It would appear that they have already closed their operations in Brazil and Spain - China could be next.
I emphasise the word rumour - but there is no smoke without fire.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taiping04 wrote:


[I'll now wait for the Whiner to quote me in full, then add some inane comment to confirm his cerebral dwarf status.]


Are you paranoid or what?
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matador



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:53 am    Post subject: You wot? Reply with quote

EF in trouble!? Closing down in China soon....? Where did you hear this rumor and whats the basis for it? I thought China was THE growth EFL market??
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mike w



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read about it in here. The basis - overpriced and overrated!
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Taiping04



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GWOW wrote:
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Are you paranoid or what?

No, paranoia is an unreasonable fear. To say I'm scared of you is laughable. Scared of your incessant bleatings? Annoyed, yes.
But the predictability of your response to anything I post, i.e., quote the whole thing, then make a weak comment you regard as acidic, has been proven yet again on this thread.
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cheekygal



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a very general opbservation:
The only more or less good comments about EF I heard in Qingdao. I think I posted that once already.Even though being very price-y, in Qingdao EF is pretty popular and they are always in need of extra part-time teachers because their teachers have full schedules.
I used to work for the IH in Russia and the feedbacks on EF in Russia were also different depending on location-co-owner-DOS. But so were they for the IH Smile
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Xin



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that EF Shanghai is partnered by an FAO from a major Shanghai uni.
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Oscar



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Idea

Last edited by Oscar on Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:44 am; edited 1 time in total
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mike w



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EF is the largest private language school in the world (FACT)


WRONG! EF is not even a 'school'. It is an organisation which hands out franchises to anyone with enough cash.

Now that's fact.
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Oscar



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrow

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