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happeningthang
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 Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:26 am Post subject: Do Not Recognise My School on Approved List |
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Hey -
I've heard that in America some new teachers going through the Z-visa process need to authenticate their degrees.
Because as we all know - TEFL certificates are useless pieces of crap. 
Has anyone had this happen to them?
There's a list of "approved schools"?
Who has the list - The Secretary of State?
Wha' da'...? |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Do Not Recognise My School on Approved List |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
Hey -
I've heard that in America some new teachers going through the Z-visa process need to authenticate their degrees.
Because as we all know - TEFL certificates are useless pieces of crap.
Has anyone had this happen to them?
There's a list of "approved schools"?
Who has the list - The Secretary of State?
Wha' da'...? |
CHA-CHING! Give the man half a buck! |
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nomad soul
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Shanghai Noon
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| The CFTU had a list of unaccredited universities on their website but it has been taken down. It was... interesting to say the least. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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Sure. You can have it when you read through the entire site like I did.
There are different categories of accreditation for different types of colleges and universities.
The OP is trolling. |
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Shanghai Noon
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Yeah that's the one. It makes for interesting reading. Funny you should show up at a time like this, Longer  |
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happeningthang
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Thanks for the get back Nomad -
I'm just trying to figure out what the process is and at what point my guy in the US has tripped up.
New regs say you need to authenticate degrees - which isn't really that big a deal.
The process - as I understand it - is get your degree notarised or signed by university registrar - take it to your local office of Secretary of State - they stamp to say it's authentic based on the registrar/notary signature - and then you take it to the Chinese consulate.
So - who - where - has a list of "approved schools" that they're checking?
Is the question....
Anyone? |
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Longer
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| happeningthang wrote: |
Thanks for the get back Nomad -
I'm just trying to figure out what the process is and at what point my guy in the US has tripped up.
New regs say you need to authenticate degrees - which isn't really that big a deal.
The process - as I understand it - is get your degree notarised or signed by university registrar - take it to your local office of Secretary of State - they stamp to say it's authentic based on the registrar/notary signature - and then you take it to the Chinese consulate.
So - who - where - has a list of "approved schools" that they're checking?
Is the question....
Anyone? |
Nomad Soul and I already gave you the links mate. |
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happeningthang
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Guys -
Thanks for your responses - but if you're already in China then I don't think you're in a position to give me the answers I'm looking for.
I appreciate the education department link - this does look like what they're referencing - but WHO is referencing it?
The consulate or the office of Secretary of State - or someone else?
I'm hoping someone who is currently trying to get a Z-visa can give me some insights into the new requirements and what they're being asked to do for it in the US.
These are brand new requirements - as in the last two months - so not what the wannabe" union" guy reckons'- he is not representative of anyone beyond himself and he doesn't know anything more than google can tell him. |
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nomad soul
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| happeningthang wrote: |
Thanks for the get back Nomad -
I'm just trying to figure out what the process is and at what point my guy in the US has tripped up.
New regs say you need to authenticate degrees - which isn't really that big a deal.
The process - as I understand it - is get your degree notarised or signed by university registrar - take it to your local office of Secretary of State - they stamp to say it's authentic based on the registrar/notary signature - and then you take it to the Chinese consulate.
So - who - where - has a list of "approved schools" that they're checking?
Is the question....
Anyone? |
You're asking about two different things. Frankly, you should know if your university holds valid, US regional accreditation as recognized by the US Dept of Education; otherwise, look it up per the link I provided rather than on a list provided by a sketchy private blogsite. This is a no-brainer unless your credentials are from a bogus university.
As for authenticating degrees, contact your university registrar's office; they're quite familiar with the process. There are also private document companies that offer this service for a large fee. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| happeningthang wrote: |
Thanks for the get back Nomad -
I'm just trying to figure out what the process is and at what point my guy in the US has tripped up.
New regs say you need to authenticate degrees - which isn't really that big a deal.
The process - as I understand it - is get your degree notarised or signed by university registrar - take it to your local office of Secretary of State - they stamp to say it's authentic based on the registrar/notary signature - and then you take it to the Chinese consulate.
So - who - where - has a list of "approved schools" that they're checking?
Is the question....
Anyone? |
As for authenticating degrees, contact your university registrar's office; they're quite familiar with the process. There are also private document companies that offer this service for a large fee. |
Nope. If one is an American, he must go to his STATE Secretary of state to have his degree authenticated, then it must be authenticated by the United Stated Department of State (That's the Federal level).
Then it must be documented by the Chinese consulate that in whose jurisdiction you reside.
Been there. Done it all.
Really.
For the rest of the process, go to this Chinese consulate website:
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/ywzn/lsyw/gzrz/rzcx/ |
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nomad soul
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
| As for authenticating degrees, contact your university registrar's office; they're quite familiar with the process. There are also private document companies that offer this service for a large fee. |
Nope. If one is an American, he must go to his STATE Secretary of state to have his degree authenticated, then it must be authenticated by the United Stated Department of State (That's the Federal level).
Then it must be documented by the Chinese consulate that in whose jurisdiction you reside.
Been there. Done it all.
Really. |
Not so fast, cowboy. I've been there, done that too. My university registrar notarized my diploma and then submitted it to the state's Secretary of State for authentication before mailing it to me so that I could send it off to the Feds. My point was that the registrar is a good source to start with because they're familiar with these requests and could tell the OP what the process is for whatever jurisdiction his university is located in. I never stated that they're the entity that authenticates degrees. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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That's real nice if your local consulate will accept your school's registrar's imprint, but the website DOES state that one must go to one's local department of state. There's no changing that. One may be successful in bypassing the consulate's dictum, but I don't think one will be successful in changing what is on the website.
Besides, if one attended a university on the other side of the country, it might actually be more convenient to prevail upon one's local secretary of state than to send it off to the university's registrar who may not even know what to do with your document.
There will always be those who will attempt to circumvent the consulate's requirements. Some will be successful. Some won't.
Roll the dice. |
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nomad soul
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
That's real nice if your local consulate will accept your school's registrar's imprint, but the website DOES state that one must go to one's local department of state. There's no changing that. One may be successful in bypassing the consulate's dictum, but I don't think one will be successful in changing what is on the website.
Besides, if one attended a university on the other side of the country, it might actually be more convenient to prevail upon one's local secretary of state than to send it off to the university's registrar who may not even know what to do with your document. |
Uh, reread my response. By the way, university registrars aren't clueless about this process; it's a routine function of the office.
Additionally, from the US State Department:
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Authentication of American Academic Credentials for Use Abroad
I. Colleges, Universities and Other Post-Secondary Institutions1. Obtain from the registrar of the University an official true copy of the credentials. The registrar should then execute an affidavit attesting to the validity of the document before a notary public. Frequently the business offices of colleges and universities have notaries public.
2. Take the document, with the notarial certificate to the state Notary Public Administrator for authentication. If the country where the document will be used is a party to the Hague Apostille Convention, the state Notary Public Administrator will affix an Apostille certificate and no further authentication is necessary. See the Hague Conference on Private International Law Apostille Page for a current list of countries party to the treaty. The treaty is in force many countries throughout the world.
3. If the country is not a party to the Hague Apostille Convention, the state Notary Public Administrator will affix a state authentication certificate. You should then send the document to the Authentications Office of the Department of State, following the instruction on that office’s web page.
4. If necessary, obtain authentication of the U.S. Department of State seal at the foreign embassy in Washington, D.C. The embassy in Washington, DC of the country in which the document is to be used can tell you if this is required.
Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/legal-matters/academic-credentials.html |
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