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rustyrockets
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| Generally, holders of degrees in international or Mid East Studies end up working for NGOs or in governmental agency/diplomatic services, which may not always equate to having an office in the region. If they're teaching, they're more likely to do so in academia in their home country and in subjects related to their degree specialty as opposed to teaching English in the Mid East. |
Yes, it is very likely, but to be a professor you will need a PhD, since the people I know don't have it yet, they opt to teach English while they save money to do so and pay their previous loan. Anyways, if you believe i'm making this up I couldn't care less...  |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| rustyrockets wrote: |
| Yes, it is very likely, but to be a professor you will need a PhD, since the people I know don't have it yet, they opt to teach English while they save money to do so and pay their previous loan. Anyways, if you believe i'm making this up I couldn't care less... |
Why would I think you made that up? Besides, folks with all sorts of degrees teach in KSA if they have the proper qualifications and experience.
Four people I know with MAs in Mid East Studies work for nonprofits in Washington, DC and NY. A fifth, a Jordanian-American, was a policy writer with USAID in Jordan but is now back in the US and teaching at a university. A sixth is in law school in the US. None of them are/were teachers in KSA or elsewhere in the Mid East. They had opportunities open to them in the US both during and after their studies. |
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Darzin
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| Generally, holders of degrees in international or Mid East Studies end up working for NGOs or in governmental agency/diplomatic services, which may not always equate to having an office in the region. If they're teaching, they're more likely to do so in academia in their home country and in subjects related to their degree specialty as opposed to teaching English in the Mid East. |
As a Mid East studies major, about a third of my graduating class went off to various Middle Eastern countries to teach English. Not many of us had the fluency in our target language to apply for a government job right away, so many started a masters or went abroad to teach. None of them went to the Kingdom, though. Most went to more hospitable places like Egypt and Turkey. |
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nomad soul
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| Darzin wrote: |
| As a Mid East studies major, about a third of my graduating class went off to various Middle Eastern countries to teach English. Not many of us had the fluency in our target language to apply for a government job right away, so many started a masters or went abroad to teach. None of them went to the Kingdom, though. Most went to more hospitable places like Egypt and Turkey. |
Two of the MA Mid East Studies holders I mentioned studied abroad in Egypt for their BAs, while two others are native Arabic speakers but Americans by birth. The remaining two studied Arabic in the US -- one at Middlebury College and the other at the Univ of Texas. Internships got a couple of them into their fields. Others were already working with an international organization when they pursued their MAs. |
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scot47
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I wonder if we always need a reason to do things. There is far too much rationalism in the world. A measure of madness is good for all of us !
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Xie Lin
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| I wonder if we always need a reason to do things. there is far too much rationalism in the world. A measure of madness is good for all of us ! |
Indeed! Besides, the reasons that we cite (both to ourselves and others) for doing things are often total bunk. 
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nomad soul
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| I wonder if we always need a reason to do things. There is far too much rationalism in the world. A measure of madness is good for all of us ! |
You realize plumpy is the one who started this thread...  |
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scot47
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| I had forgotten that, but I respect Plum's right to have an opinion - however wrong. |
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In the heat of the moment
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| I wonder if we always need a reason to do things. There is far too much rationalism in the world. A measure of madness is good for all of us ! |
For me, that's a part of the KSA's attraction; everything is a bit mad here (and it's quite fun to reflect on the absurdity of life in general), e.g:
Watching a Lamborghini, two Hummers and half a dozen brand new 4x4s driving through a wasteland of rubble and car wrecks;
Walking around one of the malls and never even making eye contact with a female (but the blokes regularly kiss each other on the cheeks or lips/noses);
Trying to cross main roads which are more like motorways of the UK;
Doing the weekly food shop for a third of what it should really cost;
Saying you'll meet up for coffee after Isha when neither are Muslim;
Catching a plane out of the country being like a bus or train journey elsewhere;
There are more but I can't think of any right now, as the cleaners are busy and my meal has arrived.
Here's an interesting article from last December; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/before-you-go/11740885/Why-expat-life-in-Saudi-Arabia-is-more-fun-than-you-might-think.html |
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bigdurianthesecond
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I read that article from the telegraph. It kind of shows how Saudi can be a great posting, nice compound etc, but as everyone knows that's not how it is for all teachers.
There was also no mention of the nightlife, parties etc, which can be very good. But I guess you don't write articles in the media saying you get pissed every weekend until after you leave the country.
Personally speaking, I find it a very easy place to live(and I'm in Buraydah!!), mainly due to the easy workload and time able to spend with family. |
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rustyrockets
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| I find it a very easy place to live(and I'm in Buraydah!!) |
Is it true that all women (including non-muslim foreigners) wear the full niqab in Buraidah? There is a Brazilian female blogger teaching English in that place that has written about it and even made videos about it... |
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bigdurianthesecond
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| I find it a very easy place to live(and I'm in Buraydah!!) |
Is it true that all women (including non-muslim foreigners) wear the full niqab in Buraidah? There is a Brazilian female blogger teaching English in that place that has written about it and even made videos about it... |
It's not often that you see a woman who isn't veiled. But they do exist. Having said that my wife got in an argument with some women in panda, who were telling her to cover.
Most of the time my wife veils.
It's just easier.
We go to Riyadh for the freedoms it offers! It's very strange walking around a mall in Riyadh seeing hair and faces everywhere after being where I am now. |
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plumpy nut
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| I believe a woman has to wear some type of head covering but she isn't legally required to cover her face. I don't know for sure, but anyway the laws aren't necessarily going to protect you in Saudi Arabia. If a group of women start harassing another woman about head covering what is the woman going to do? Call the Police? |
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rustyrockets
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| I believe a woman has to wear some type of head covering but she isn't legally required to cover her face. I don't know for sure, but anyway the laws aren't necessarily going to protect you in Saudi Arabia. If a group of women start harassing another woman about head covering what is the woman going to do? Call the Police? |
Well I was not really referring to the legal aspect of it. My point was more directed to the fact that this is the social norm in qassim province (as far as I know) and that if a woman (regardless of her cultural our religious background) leaves the house without a niqab, she will probably face some backlash or harassment from both local men and women. |
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bigdurianthesecond
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| plumpy nut wrote: |
| I believe a woman has to wear some type of head covering but she isn't legally required to cover her face. I don't know for sure, but anyway the laws aren't necessarily going to protect you in Saudi Arabia. If a group of women start harassing another woman about head covering what is the woman going to do? Call the Police? |
Well I was not really referring to the legal aspect of it. My point was more directed to the fact that this is the social norm in qassim province (as far as I know) and that if a woman (regardless of her cultural our religious background) leaves the house without a niqab, she will probably face some backlash or harassment from both local men and women. |
Just had this one time when these women were having a go at my wife for not wearing a veil. She always covers her hair. Anyway, they picked on the wrong woman because my wife ended up shouting at them at the checkout. The checkout guy thought it was quite funny, as did the bag man. The fact that one woman pushed my wife in the back of the head didn't do them any favours either. They were told to f### off rather loudly! |
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