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Shanghai Noon
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| NiHaoDaJia wrote: |
| This rule is important and useful even though it may not be enforced everywhere. The reason is that after too many years out of our own country, we may become rusty as to our original language and culture. We still know basics but may no longer be up to date on the latest English usage, patterns, vocabulary and so on. So, after five years in China, it is ideal to go back to our own country to refresh for minimum two years. For example, in my case, I would go back to America for a while. After that period, we may return to China as foreign guests again for a new period of five years. |
I take back what I said. He's not a wumao. This is too ridiculous, even for them. |
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mike w
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Location: Beijing building site
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| This rule is important and useful even though it may not be enforced everywhere. The reason is that after too many years out of our own country, we may become rusty as to our original language and culture. We still know basics but may no longer be up to date on the latest English usage, patterns, vocabulary and so on. So, after five years in China, it is ideal to go back to our own country to refresh for minimum two years. For example, in my case, I would go back to America for a while. After that period, we may return to China as foreign guests again for a new period of five years. |
Complete and utter trash!! |
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The Voice Of Reason
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Not checked this forum for ages. Might have to remedy that if NiHaoDaJia keeps up this comedy routine! Bless your little sheer nylon socks, NHDJ!! |
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Xie Lin
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Oh, my! After five years in foreign lands, our ability to speak English will atrophy! This is really important for newbies to know! Why have the old-timers among us been keeping this information a secret? Or perhaps they thought they were just experiencing the onset of that malady peculiar to English-speaking expats in China: FYD, the five-year dementia. 
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SH_Panda
Joined: 31 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| I've heard that some SCHOOLS try to use it to off-load older teachers (apparently younger teachers are more acceptable to Chinese parents, especially in kindy and middle schools). |
That could certainly be the case. In fact I know of two teachers who have been told they need to leave this year because of this rule, but it could be that the school just wants to freshen up.
However, that does not explain what I just heard today.
I've been sort of applying for jobs just to see what comes up. Two separate schools in Shandong province (in different cities) told me that they would not be able to get me a FEC since next semester would be my 6th year
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Babala
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| Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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It's true. When I was applying 2 years ago to schools in Shandong, they answered right away, both expressing regret that they were unable to hire me due to the fact that I had been in China for over 5 years.
China needs to make it's mind. They want 2 years experience but you can't have more than 5 consecutive years.... I guess the 3 - 4 year experienced teachers are the only ones welcome  |
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SH_Panda
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I have also just heard from someone else that the rule doesn't exist, or is not enforced, in Guangdong.
I might end up moving to Guangdong then. I suppose there are worse places to end up! |
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JamesD
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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Location: "As far as I'm concerned bacon comes from a magical happy place."
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| NiHaoDaJia wrote: |
| .............We still know basics but may no longer be up to date on the latest English usage, patterns, vocabulary and so on.......... |
Reminds me of the whippersnapper I worked a few years ago with who stressed "common communication" such as:
"Wha's uuuuuuuuuuuuupppppppp??????????" (With tongue alack.)
and
"You my dog, man."
Told me I was old-school teaching grammar and vocab building.
Yeah, keeping up on that there 'latest English usage' comes in real handy. Luckily I'm still cool and neat-o. |
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LarssonCrew
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One other strange phenomenon related to this is that in China staying at a company a long time seems to be a prerequisite to being promoted. I.e. almost every manager or higher up I know has been there 8+ years.
It 'shows you are loyal' or something to Chinese employers, and of course after your first few years of struggle you get some 'power' 'benefits' and of course far more money.
Yet as foreigners you're disregarded. I don't know many people who, if they were able to stay 5+ years could triple or quadruple their salary like a Chinese could in the same company through promotions. |
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bestteacher2012
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| Babala wrote: |
It's true. When I was applying 2 years ago to schools in Shandong, they answered right away, both expressing regret that they were unable to hire me due to the fact that I had been in China for over 5 years.
China needs to make it's mind. They want 2 years experience but you can't have more than 5 consecutive years.... I guess the 3 - 4 year experienced teachers are the only ones welcome |
The provinces that implement this law don't give a rats about English teachers. They want experienced teachers, but then they don't want them to stay too long. It's just a way to restict immigration. Interestingly, it seems that the provinces which have this rule are areas that are not really desired locations anyway. |
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NiHaoDaJia
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| The law also is very beneficial for us as foreign English teachers. It makes sure that we keep contact with our own countries and get refreshed regularly in our culture. We could keep our connections with family and friends, and use our native language more. I would never want to feel disconnected from my own country, which is America. Keeping strong ties benefits my students and myself. So it is good to return for a two-year period, every five years. We could then come back and teach in China again, if we wish, as long as we are willing to follow the rules and customs of China. |
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Shanghai Noon
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| Must. Not. Feed. The. Troll... |
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Markness
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If you're married to a local then the 5-year rule does not exist. Proof being the Chinese law. You can check it out. Sichuan/other places enforce it only if you are not married to a local. I know a guy who was here for 10+ years and got divorced and had to get out of dodge afterwards. They will not make you/your family leave after 5 years. I got my missus to double-check with the government bodies who look after this, and the law as well. You all will be safe as long as you're married to a local (in the provinces that enforce this law) ..  |
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SH_Panda
Joined: 31 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
| If you're married to a local then the 5-year rule does not exist. Proof being the Chinese law. You can check it out. Sichuan/other places enforce it only if you are not married to a local. I know a guy who was here for 10+ years and got divorced and had to get out of dodge afterwards. They will not make you/your family leave after 5 years. I got my missus to double-check with the government bodies who look after this, and the law as well. You all will be safe as long as you're married to a local (in the provinces that enforce this law) .. |
Seriously?
I don't understand that because the visa is yours, it's nothing to do with your family. Or are you saying they consider you a special case if you're married? |
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SH_Panda
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Markness? Anything else to say on this?
Do you know where this part of the law is written on the web?
Sorry for the scepticism and questions. I'm just so desperate for you to be right!  |
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