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bograt
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| getbehindthemule wrote: |
Thanks again Nomad...
There is one huge factor preventing me from getting K-12 certification in my home country, Ireland.
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Irish language requirements: Primary school teachers must be able to teach the Irish language and the range of primary school subjects through Irish. |
And for secondary school science teachers? |
Probably the same. My mother, who lives in Ireland and doesn't speak Irish, asked about part time teaching English literature opportunities at the local secondary school (she's fully qualified in the UK) and was told she needed Irish. It's a bit daft IMO. I've heard Irish teachers get a hell of a good deal re salary/pension etc.., so maybe that's how they can afford to be so illogically picky. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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My English major students are taught English Lit in Chinese.
It's not the 'language' but the 'language of instruction' that determines the skill set needed by teachers. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| getbehindthemule wrote: |
Irish language requirements: Primary school teachers must be able to teach the Irish language and the range of primary school subjects through Irish. |
Gaelic? Is that what they mean? |
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bograt
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
My English major students are taught English Lit in Chinese.
It's not the 'language' but the 'language of instruction' that determines the skill set needed by teachers. |
In most of the post primary schools in Ireland, including the one my mother applied to, the language of instruction is English. That's why the rule is stupid if applied to all schools.
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bograt
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| getbehindthemule wrote: |
Irish language requirements: Primary school teachers must be able to teach the Irish language and the range of primary school subjects through Irish. |
Gaelic? Is that what they mean? |
Yes |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:04 am Post subject: |
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I do not meet entry requirements due to the fact that I didn't do higher level Irish for my leaving cert exam 20 years ago (when I had no interest in teaching at the time)!
If I really wanted to, I could go and get a Dioplóma sa Ghaeilge to satisfy the requirement but that won't be happening. I will take a different route 
Yes, in 99.99% of schools the language of instruction is English! |
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Non Sequitur
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Then I guess it's an endangered language strategy.
A bit like the Arizona education authorities setting up a 1st nations language teaching certificate.
In NZ, there are Maori language preschools (kohanga = 'nest' reo = 'language') which make sure the language is well-embedded in the kids psyche before they are exposed to the ocean of English medium education and culture.
As a purveyor of that 'ocean' I have no quarrel with people wanting to defend their native tongues. |
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bograt
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| Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Then I guess it's an endangered language strategy.
A bit like the Arizona education authorities setting up a 1st nations language teaching certificate.
In NZ, there are Maori language preschools (kohanga = 'nest' reo = 'language') which make sure the language is well-embedded in the kids psyche before they are exposed to the ocean of English medium education and culture.
As a purveyor of that 'ocean' I have no quarrel with people wanting to defend their native tongues. |
The problem is when it affects their other subjects. E.g.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/pupils-taught-english-getting-better-8637212 |
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Non Sequitur
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Mmmm
That's sad.
I wonder if parents who seek out Welsh language schools are more nationalistic and take less interest in their child's achievements in English-related education.
I'll read the article with interest.
Thanks for the link.
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Didah
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Greetings,
I am joining the discussion a little late. However, back to the OP's original question, getting a teaching credential can make a big difference in salary as was already pointed out. I taught at an international school in Guangzhou and the salary and package was significantly higher than the ESL jobs.
I worked with a teacher there who earned a teaching credential while living in China. It was delivered online and through an accredited university in Florida. It got her a lot better job at an international school in Japan. She actually used our school for her student teaching or practicum. There are lots of programs including the University of Phoenix -- which is expensive. This is the one that she went through which cost a lot less than that program: https://www.teacherready.org/
By the way, there is a high demand for certified science and math teachers in international schools.
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Non Sequitur
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Good to have a first hand account of international school remuneration. From memory you are the first international school teacher to comment when this topic has come up.
My friend was at Clifford in GZ and her package was eye-watering compared to my bog standard public u ESL deal.
To get legit certification online and do a practicum in China also will be read with interest by many.
Thanks again. |
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getbehindthemule
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@Didah
This is very encouraging (I will look into that)...
I am very interested in the field of Science. My degree is Industrial Biology & Biochemistry. I have a lot of professional work experience and certification in the field. And I will soon have 2 years experience of teaching the subject. (I know that it might not mean much, not having the credentials etc., but at least I know that teaching may be a good fit for me for the future).
From some of the feedback on here, and from other sources, there seems to be many ways of earning a teaching credential (as alternatives to getting home country licensure).
Much appreciated! |
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SH_Panda
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Good to have a first hand account of international school remuneration. From memory you are the first international school teacher to comment when this topic has come up.
My friend was at Clifford in GZ and her package was eye-watering compared to my bog standard public u ESL deal.
To get legit certification online and do a practicum in China also will be read with interest by many.
Thanks again. |
However, only US citizens can become certified through that program:
"To be eligible for a state of Florida teaching certificate an individual must be a US citizen. Non-U.S. citizens are eligible for certification only if they are hired to teach in Florida and have a U.S. social security number. Individuals who are not U.S. citizens and do not plan to teach in Florida may enroll in TeacherReady and in lieu of earning state certification will receive a certificate of completion from the TeacherReady® program."
Just posted to save any other non-US citizens wasting their time looking through the FAQ section on their website (it's the very last question  ) |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| The US may not be the only country with universities that offer similar. |
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SH_Panda
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
| The US may not be the only country with universities that offer similar. |
True.
I'd be really interested to see anything like this from other countries. Sadly, I don't think any UK universities do anything like this.
In theory though, plenty of them should. Why not? As long as a decent part of your course is spent in a reputable institution teaching, being observed and reported on.
I'm surprised no UK unis offer PGCE and QTS abroad, since they have real campuses abroad now (like The University of Nottingham in Shanghai). |
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