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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| Nomad, I have a similar question as RM1983 - what kinds of characteristics help you adapt? Would you say you're a third culture kid? Does that resonate with you? |
By age 14, I'd lived in 5 countries (including Japan) and on 3 continents. So yeah, I self-identify as a third-culture kid. As a result, it's not that difficult for me to adapt to new cultures, although I experience major reverse culture shock when returing stateside mainly because I always feel like a fish out of water in my passport country. I remember arriving to the US, speaking perfect English with a slight undescribible accent; the typical teen slang wasn't in my vocab. I'd never heard of McDonalds nor pizza, and for the first week, my sister and I were mesmerized by American TV commercials. We were like a couple of foreigners! By the way, my sister (older by a few years) had spent all of her k-12 education outside the US.
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| So you seem a bit different from other expats from your past, are there particular behaviours you think people could adapt to make it easier? Im your typical white guy who came here ona whim, speaks one language by the way |
My comments for those thinking about heading abroad to any country for work:
- Know before you go --- research your destination first. But don't just focus on the good while ignoring the negatives. And definitely don't come on the forum wanting to hear that single, one good thing about an employer that's been notoriously lousy for the last X years. Expecting others to tell you what you want to hear is never a good strategy.
- Think with your head and not with your heart. In other words, put aside those dreams of an exotic culture, uber dating/social life, cheerful and smart students, spacious housing, etc. These are distractions, especially for job seekers who aren't well traveled. Be realistic. Figure out what your priorities are and reconcile those needs and wants that you can realistically do without.
- Don't go just for the money alone. If you hate teaching, you'll be miserable --- the money will make you feel boxed in.
- Don't expect the new culture to mirror life in your home country. Ditto for employment laws and work culture/etiquette. Be open to new experiences; don't judge others, especially based on any ethnocentricities you may have.
- Maintain a sense of humor. Also keep your expectations low about the new culture so that you'll be less disappointed when things don't go as planned but pleasantly surprised when your expectations are exceeded.
- Have an exit strategy and emergency funds if/when things go sour. |
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RM1983
Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 360
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for that and I agree with them wholeheartedly. Low expectations is interesting for me as I did come with low expectations.
I'd add to that though - look after yourself physically, especially if you are a teacher. I think I had trouble before because I would go a long time without going to the gym (recently Ive started a martial arts class). It is quite astonishing how much this will effect your mood. The martial arts is especially amazing for this, not only am I getting out the stress but my teaching has been improving because Im becoming much more aware of how I use my body in general. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| RM1983 wrote: |
| I'd add to that though - look after yourself physically, especially if you are a teacher. |
Ditto that, but that would be for any profession. Getting ill is especially a challenge for expats working in countries where the standard of medical care is below average or access to good care is limited. While working in a war zone, I chipped a tooth and had to wait until I got to Dubai a month later to get it fixed. Fortunately, that's not a problem in Japan. By the way, mental health is just as important. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Nomad, great insight!
I second your advice on exit strategy and funds. There are some who will only put in a year, and those who stay for a lifetime. However, no matter what you intend, circumstances can change abruptly, whether it's life altering health issues, starting a family, or experiencing a disaster like we had five years ago.
RM1983, 10 plus years of training here helped me keep my energy up, and taught me focus. It's not all physical discipline - many martial styles are a mental workout and psychological challenge Best of luck in your training. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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I found the following statements quite telling:
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Japan can be the best place in the world for some, but for others it can be a trap. And sometimes I think it’s far easier for Western men to be sucked into this trap than women.
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Japanese men have it tough, but foreigners might have it even worse. Unlike Japanese, who have been raised in the culture of strict gender roles and long work hours, foreigners — especially Westerners — may have very different expectations, lifestyles and ideals. For example, achieving a balance between work, family and personal time is seen as extremely important in contemporary European and American societies, but Japanese corporate culture does not support it.
Source: Spare a thought for the Western men trapped in Japan, Japan Times, Mar 23, 2015 |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Lately, my guy and I were talking about gender roles in Japan. He was telling me that, in his family, women discouraged their men from involvement in raising their children. Men work long hours, and women take care of PTA and attending school events such as open house and graduation.
Many foreign men I meet who are married to Japanese women seem disillusioned, to put it mildly. The foreign women married to Japanese, and single mums, I meet tend to be adjusted to the way things are done here.
My guy has lived abroad, but he's still pretty traditional on a lot of issues. I was aware of the cultural expectations for a Japanese wife, so I wasn't surprised so much.
I guess it all comes back to what Nomad says - research the culture before you come me over, and leave your fantasies behind. |
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cat mother
Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 62
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I'll go on the record to say that I love living in Japan.
I've lived in a few other countries in my life, some of them pretty shitty.
Next to them Japan is a freakin' paradise.
Though in all fairness, it took me a long time to get to this point.
I don't really socialize with any foreigners (I only know people on the internet), my friends and people I spend time with are all Japanese. I'm too old to be treated as a pet foreigner, and even though I wish I could use the gaijin card more often and claim ignorance, I simply can't. I live in a pretty small community and everyone knows me here.
I can say I've adapted. I know I will never assimilate fully and I will always stick out based on my looks, but I don't mind.
I am really happy with my life here. I work, pursue my hobbies, spend time with my partner, just live my life.
As a third culture kid I don't know what homesickness is. I feel homesick when I am away from Japan. When I travel, I think "in Japan, we do it like this..." But I can do it just fine any other way as well. It's all good, those small differences are what makes life interesting.
Why some people adapt to new cultures and others don't, that I can't tell you. But what helps in this process is having an open mind, being flexible and very resilient. |
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Lamarr
Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Posts: 190
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't actually know any Westerners who've worked full-time, permanent "seishain" in a Japanese company. All the non-Japanese I've ever known who've worked for Japanese companies have worked on contracts, thus avoiding the "brunt" of Japanese corporate culture. I doubt many Westerners could successfully adapt. You'd kind of have to deny and cut off an essential part of yourself and give up your soul so to speak, kind of like being a defector. That'd be very hard to come to terms with. I think a Japanese company would wonder about the motivations of someone wanting to do that. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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