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Shanghai Noon
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| If your country is not on the native speaking list, it becomes an uphill battle to qualify. You need more qualifications, and everything must be verified. |
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Markness
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Huh? 1 in 5 Canadians are French? Since when? I thought Quebec was just 1 province. I know there are some haters in here because we have the most standard/clear sounding accent of all of them (except for the French/people from Newfoundland), but why would we be added to the list? There are a ton of people in the USA who speak spanish and English isn't their first language. There are a ton of people from a lot of those native-English speaking countries who cannot speak English as a first language. Why would Canada be any different? A majority of our population is, and if the people doing the recruiting had any common sense then they could figure it out quickly, instead of barring a majority of a population.
Unfortuntely China is not in any sort of state/condition to be choosy. It is still not an employers market. Good thing some people here don't do anything important for the Chinese government. |
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Shanghai Noon
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Regarding this, both Korea and Japan have (loosely enforced) requirements that foreign English teachers must have completed at least some of their pre-university education in an English-speaking country. China has no such restriction.
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Curtinca
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| But the question remains: what is "an English-speaking country"? Is it a country where English is an official language, but not the only one, like South Africa or India or Canada? Is it a country where English is the only language spoken, like... errr... Even narrowing the qualification to studying at a university where English is the language of instruction would invite confusion with institutions where English is A language of instruction... |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Even narrowing the qualification to studying at a university where English is the language of instruction would invite confusion with institutions where English is A language of instruction... |
There are actually some European universities where English is THE language of instruction (and probably there are some in other regions as well)   |
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Curtinca
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
| Huh? 1 in 5 Canadians are French? Since when? I thought Quebec was just 1 province. I know there are some haters in here because we have the most standard/clear sounding accent of all of them (except for the French/people from Newfoundland), but why would we be added to the list? |
Just to be clear (pun intended), Québec is 1 province out of 10 (and three territories), but it is the biggest by land area and second-biggest by population. About 90% of Québecois speak French as their mother tongue, as do close to half of New Brunswickers and perhaps 10% of Ontarians. Added together, I would guess the estimate of 1 in 5 Canadians being francophones (French-speakers) is about right. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| Curtinca wrote: |
| Markness wrote: |
| Huh? 1 in 5 Canadians are French? Since when? I thought Quebec was just 1 province. I know there are some haters in here because we have the most standard/clear sounding accent of all of them (except for the French/people from Newfoundland), but why would we be added to the list? |
Just to be clear (pun intended), Québec is 1 province out of 10 (and three territories), but it is the biggest by land area and second-biggest by population. About 90% of Québecois speak French as their mother tongue, as do close to half of New Brunswickers and perhaps 10% of Ontarians. Added together, I would guess the estimate of 1 in 5 Canadians being francophones (French-speakers) is about right. |
Getting off topic further, it is amazing how many Quebecois emigrated to the Northeast of the United States during the more turbulent times with "English" Canada. I saw a county-by-county map a couple years back which showed them as the majority in many New England counties.
I used to go to Quebec once a year for a training and loved it. As an American who could speak proficient French, I was warmly embraced by the locals. Vive le Quebec! |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| They should also bar anyone from former French colonies in the US as no one can understand what they are saying. |
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RiverMystic
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| Is a public forum the place to air your personal bigotry? What's the difference between saying you can't stand Australians and you hate the Chinese? Answer: |
Perfectly fine. Australians are filth. |
A racist bigot. Forum rules seem to have been relaxed around here. |
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Big_H
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| I can't seem to find any "lists" of acceptable English speaking countries for China, but as a well informed person on the Japanese rules about having 12 years of "English education", it simply means having attended school where English is the main medium for the curriculum regardless of the country's location or spoken languages. |
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Curtinca
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| They should also bar anyone from former French colonies in the US as no one can understand what they are saying. |
Could you provide the names, please, of "former French colonies in the US"? |
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rogerwilco
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| They should also bar anyone from former French colonies in the US as no one can understand what they are saying. |
Could you provide the names, please, of "former French colonies in the US"? |
You never studied history ?
Louisiana is probably the most famous, more listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_colonization_of_the_Americas |
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Curtinca
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
| Curtinca wrote: |
| wangdaning wrote: |
| They should also bar anyone from former French colonies in the US as no one can understand what they are saying. |
Could you provide the names, please, of "former French colonies in the US"? |
You never studied history ?
Louisiana is probably the most famous, more listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_colonization_of_the_Americas |
Thought of that, but there aren't many English-speakers in LA who have a real "Cajun" (= Acadian French) accent any more. I mean, you're going back over 200 years there. Before that (I do know my history!) the French had explored the southern sides of the St. Lawrence River, Lakes Ontario and Erie, and down through the Ohio and Mississippi valleys and much of what we now call the US Midwest. But I don't think you can call those settlements colonies. All that survives today are some place names, like Detroit and Des Plaines. There is nothing left of the French language or accent. |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| i might disagree wit dat above... Cajun, Creole, is still spoken in heavy accent in many southern parishes' folk....unlikely you could get em into "Chiner" |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Thought of that, but there aren't many English-speakers in LA who have a real "Cajun" (= Acadian French) accent any more. I mean, you're going back over 200 years there. Before that (I do know my history!) the French had explored the southern sides of the St. Lawrence River, Lakes Ontario and Erie, and down through the Ohio and Mississippi valleys and much of what we now call the US Midwest. But I don't think you can call those settlements colonies. All that survives today are some place names, like Detroit and Des Plaines. There is nothing left of the French language or accent. |
Whether it's 'real' Cajun or not, there is still a strong and distinctive accent. I know a couple of TEFL candidates from the region who were given refunds by their course providers and sent away uncertified due to the accent. |
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