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blox



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you really have a ba and a teaching cert, quit looking at jobs under 20k with no accommodation haha. End of discussion.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrpianoman wrote:
Like I said and it's getting tedious, my graduate diploma is equivalent to a bachelors degree in England. It was recognised by the then department of education and science as conferring degree pass status.
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If I wanted to teach in America or Australia, I can get my qualifications transcribed to show they are acceptable for teaching in the USA or Aussie. You use an equivalency .

There is no 'upgrade' necessary to a BA, since I already have a degree equivalent in the UK (and the saudi employer recognises this as already discussed)

I may have to be a bridge dweller in China/Saudi, who the heck knows.

Nope. You won't get a job teaching music or ESL in US schools without possessing a BA and teaching qualification --- both relevant to the subject taught.

blox wrote:
If you really have a ba and a teaching cert, quit looking at jobs under 20k with no accommodation haha. End of discussion.

The OP doesn't have a BA, no matter how hard he tries to spin his diploma in piano performance into a degree. He continues to repost the same whiny questions ad nauseam in hopes he'll get the response he wants to hear. It's not going to happen.

Instead of trolling the forums of countries that require an authenticated, proper BA for legit employment, he should be focusing on Europe and Latin America where his lack of a degree isn't an issue.
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RiverMystic



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, what a helpful board this is! Just answer the guy's OP and stop the bullying. Evil or Very Mad

A 19 000 package is perfectly OK. You won't live like a king, but it's more than enough to live on in GZ, and save a bit - unless you hang out in those horrid western bars there.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RiverMystic wrote:
Wow, what a helpful board this is! Just answer the guy's OP and stop the bullying.

No one's bullying the OP. Apparently you're unaware he's been avidly trolling different country forums for several months now under various usernames.
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7969



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
RiverMystic wrote:
Wow, what a helpful board this is! Just answer the guy's OP and stop the bullying.

No one's bullying the OP. Apparently you're unaware he's been avidly trolling different country forums for several months now under various usernames.

Then use the report post button and report the post. If the moderators agree they'll remove them. By following (stalking) this alleged troll and replying to all the threads you actually keep it going.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7969 wrote:
Then use the report post button and report the post. If the moderators agree they'll remove them. By following (stalking) this alleged troll and replying to all the threads you actually keep it going.

It's not stalking; keep in mind that some of us (including the OP) participate on multiple forums.

I call out the behavior for what it is so that others don't feed it. It temporarily stops the trolling. But it's been reported to the Mods via PM. In fact, the Mods' whacka-troll machine has eradicated several of the OP's prior usernames over the past month. Same story, same qualifications, same issue, yada yada.


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mrpianoman



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to go on but there is an equivalency organisation called NARIC in the UK which recognises qualifications from all over the world, probably including diplomas, as equivalent to UK qualifications and degrees. I think you have the same in the US. So, I think that a graduate diploma + a PGCE in music teaching would transfer in the USA as an equivalent to a music teacher there. So I don't know why someone one here keeps trying to get me reported to the MODS since it's them who keep hijacking my posts and repeating that I can only get a job in Europe and Latin America when it has ALREADY been stated a number of times that a SAUDI employer has accepted my graduate diploma as equivalent to a degree (the manager of this organisation is from the UK so he recognises the equivalency as stated in the transcript) and the Saudi embassy say that it depends on the EMPLOYER whether you can get a work visa or not, not the embassy, and I found this out by travelling to the embassy in person to ask them. I also have an email from the Korean embassy stating that if I find an employer who takes on my qualifications then they can give me an E2 visa AND I've found employers willing. Ive already worked on my qualifications in Japan 25 years ago twice.

So it's not just Europe and Latin America (where the pay is peanuts), that will recognise me as having a degree equivalent. I don't have a BA, and I bet you can get equivalency in the usa for a 4 year graduate diploma. They would have to recognise the equivalency to a degree surely because it's recognised by the Uk department for education and science as so.

So stop hijacking my threads about this tedious subject. You don't work in the equivalency organisation for America or Australia so you're just guessing, By the way, one teacher said that he was put on the MASTERS grade for having a PGCE at one American school (can't remember if it was in the USA or another country), because his university wrote and said it was equivalent to a Masters degree. So he got paid on the Masters degree pau scale as stated here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Qualifications_Framework

I bet t hat;s what the USA use for equivalent UK qualifications and as stated before, it states clearly under level 6 that a graduate diploma I the same as a bachelors degree.

Tedious thread or what! Sorry to other posters that someone keeps pretending he or she KNOWS everything about equivalent qualifications outside Europe and latin America.

Yes 19000RMB should be ok then I suppose, But now I think I DO have a problem in china maybe as information received from recruiters ther say they are not sure if immigration will pass my diploma there. Yes, this is one country who may not pass it. Thank you for listening again to a tedious discussion about equivalent quals.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So I don't know why someone one here keeps trying to get me reported to the MODS since it's them who keep hijacking my posts and repeating that I can only get a job in Europe and Latin America when it has ALREADY been stated a number of times that a SAUDI employer has accepted my graduate diploma as equivalent to a degree (the manager of this organisation is from the UK so he recognises the equivalency as stated in the transcript) and the Saudi embassy say that it depends on the EMPLOYER whether you can get a work visa or not, not the embassy, and I found this out by travelling to the embassy in person to ask them. I also have an email from the Korean embassy stating that if I find an employer who takes on my qualifications then they can give me an E2 visa AND I've found employers willing. Ive already worked on my qualifications in Japan 25 years ago twice.


If your quals are so legit, then, why haven't you actually got a job somewhere instead of constantly inquiring about working illegally without the required quals in one of your list of about 14 supposed target countries that you've been supposedly trying to get jobs in over the past 5 weeks?

In any case, it's not Dave's posters you need to convince that piano performance + an ancient ctefla = an English language teacher - it's employers.

You're just making useless conversation, and it's unfair to honest posters who genuinely take time to try to give you relevant info.
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blox



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got sucked in...haha, nothing makes sense.

I'm not from Euro so don't know much about the pgce but presume a 3-4 year BA is the pre requisite?

I have had to apply for States, Canada and NZ teaching certs before and they require all under grad transcripts with course hours, points, descriptions etc. I can't imagine pgce taking anyone into the course...

But good luck trying...I would anyways and hope your diploma goes un noticed or is misinterpreted throughout the authentication step.
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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually in the UK if you're a guy and not a history or PE teacher you can get in with any 2:2 degree [I guess like 3.0 GPA].

The UK is desperate for male teachers so they almost always get offered a place.
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