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fluffyhamster
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| FYI: That falls under curriculum development and instructional systems design, which cover the what, why, and how of learning. |
Individual lessons however still contain whats whys and hows of their own, that should cohere with a wider picture. Textbooks, syllabus etc may be out of many teachers' hands (though just as equally be in quite a few's still!), and essentially saying 'This isn't really part of the $2000 basic methodology cert thinking, except for the hour or so where they expect you to aimlessly flip through a pile of textbooks or something while trying to articulate your very vague impressions' isn't really an answer (IMHO). Still, if papers like that 'A Lexical Syllabus for Language Learning' that I mentioned were required reading on certs, then it would be a lot harder to get trainees to unquestioningly accept whatever's being peddled, wouldn't it! |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| fluffyhamster wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
| FYI: That falls under curriculum development and instructional systems design, which cover the what, why, and how of learning. |
Individual lessons however still contain whats whys and hows of their own, that should cohere with a wider picture. Textbooks, syllabus etc may be out of many teachers' hands (though just as equally be in quite a few's still!), and essentially saying 'This isn't really part of the $2000 basic methodology cert thinking... |
Lessons (single and multiple) are just one component of curriculum development and instructional design. (I've covered both in my MAT and Master of Ed Tech degree programs.) However, I don't see the connection to "certs" since that wasn't within the context of the OP's post (i.e., "dissecting the process of lesson planning, classroom implementation, and assessing the results of the class overall"). |
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fluffyhamster
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The connection to certs is that although they've been recommended in passing, they don't really cover "higher level" thinking and organization (I'd say they don't cover "lower-level" that well either, but hey, that's just me and the umpteen crap activities I've analyzed over the years. Reason for all the scare quotes BTW is it's all ultimately language-based stuff that we're on about here). Feel free to disagree however as to whether that leaves the more educated "newbie" in something of a quandary! |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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You lost me on this one, dude. There's no connection to any "certs" because the OP was commenting about the general design of instruction:
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| Really, I want a resource that is going to dissect classroom methods and approaches to a T. For example, take a content based learning lesson on say American history. I would want a guide that would really dissect the process of lesson planning, classroom implementation, and assessing the results of the class overall. Simply saying something general like "A content based lesson would focus on American history from XX year - YY year" doesn't cut it. Likewise, I read this morning in an article, "Using the internet and e-mail in the classroom is a good resource for advanced writing classes." Besides about two examples of how an e-mail could be used, the rest was left up to the reader to figure out. This is essentially stating the obvious and I want some kind of resource that will really make these lessons come alive in my mind and allow me to really comprehend their use. I am going on ten years of studying languages now and simply saying "do XX in the class" really doesn't help me understand XX, its function, its implementation, and how to assess its results. |
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fluffyhamster
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, and now relate that post to the wider context of the thread and its title. There is obviously quite a gap or disconnect between 'simply saying do XX in the class' and 'helping one really understand XX, its function, its implementation, and how to assess its results', and certs in themselves (not that you were the one recommending them above all else), or indeed most of the more or less general reading we've come up with, won't entirely fill the gap (or gaps). I suspect the OP knows what he or she's looking for and/or will recognize it when s/he sees it, and that our recommendations may ultimately be just so many pieces in that (his or her) puzzle. Everyone's different, after all. |
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