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TOBY23
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 Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:07 pm Post subject: accept two job offers |
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hi everyone,
what happens if you accept one direct hire position in KSA, then a better one comes along? if you then accept the second one, what happens? can you merely inform the first that you are no longer interested (whether before or after the visa batch has been issued)? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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You'll have to figure this one out on your own since we don't know the specifics. No one can predict how an employer may react to a job candidate's change of mind --- if there would be any issues.
Regardless, what makes the second offer better? How far along are you in getting a visa for the first employer? |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| You have to make sure the employer offering the better job that you have selected doesn't know about the other job offer that you rejected. If both companies send you offers it's unlikely they are in any way connected and will know about what's going on. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| plumpy nut wrote: |
| If both companies send you offers it's unlikely they are in any way connected and will know about what's going on. |
Per the OP, this is about two direct-hire opportunities --- no contracting companies involved. |
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currentaffairs
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| If I sign a contract then I will go with that for at least a year. If the first employer has put you forward for a visa then it could be problematic and you may end up with no job. |
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TOBY23
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Regardless, what makes the second offer better? How far along are you in getting a visa for the first employer?[/quote]
The second job offers 3,000 SAR more for the same work.
I havent gotten my visa letter (is that what it's called?) yet. Actually, I haven't even signed the preliminary acceptance letter. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| TOBY23 wrote: |
The second job offers 3,000 SAR more for the same work.
I havent gotten my visa letter (is that what it's called?) yet. Actually, I haven't even signed the preliminary acceptance letter. |
Then you haven't accepted the first offer. If you want to go with the second university, send the first one a polite email declining their offer.
Keep in mind university direct-hire salaries are usually calculated based on verified employment letters/certificates. The pay indicated on your preliminary offer letter may or may not reflect that experience. |
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paul.conlong
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I was comtemplating two job offers, but I've made my mind up now. But for future reference it seems it's best not to actually accept any offers until you are certain you want to go ahead with it.
As long as you havn't started the visa process you should be safe to decline in a kindly worded email  |
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TOBY23
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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I guess some teachers might want to accept one offer out of fear that if one waits too long, the offer might be withdrawn. Odd that no deadline is mentioned for accepting or declining the preliminary offer.
Does anyone have experience with this? Has an offer been withdrawn simply for not replying in a timely manner? |
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hash
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| TOBY23 wrote: |
| Odd that no deadline is mentioned for accepting or declining the preliminary offer............ Has an offer been withdrawn simply for not replying in a timely manner? |
Your questions suggest that you have never lived in the Third World (which is what the MENA is).
1- What makes you think that this is a "PRELIMINARY" offer? Is that what "they" called it or is that simply what you believe it to be? If that's how you're describing it for no reason other than it was the "first" offer, prepare for a shock when you find out it's most likely the first and last.
2- Not only does the word "TIMELY" not exist in the Arabic language, the concept of doing something within "time limits" is purely an Anglo-Saxon/Germanic concept with no equivalent not only in MENA but in all of southern Europe (conf. Ellada (Greece) ). I note that you yourself say "Odd that no deadline is mentioned.....". That should be your first clue you're starting to get a little out of your depths here. From now on, you're going to find a lot of things "odd".
3- To answer your last question (Has an offer been withdrawn "simply" for not replying in a timely manner....) let me suggest the following:
It is much more likely that an offer will "come to nothing" AFTER both parties have agreed on the basics.......you may have signed this and they may have signed that...and you're starting your physical and contacting an agent for this and that....and.......you hear nothing anymore and no one answers your emails. About a month later you'll get a short notice that the job is no longer available. Something like that. That's much more likely to happen.
What should you do then? When dealing with MENA, never make life-changing decisions (such as selling your home) on the basis that you THINK you've got a job in MENA. Even if you get a job for real, give yourself a year of working in MENA before making big decisions.
One of the things I suggest (though no one else will suggest this) is to LEAVE YOUR SPOUSE AT HOME for the 1st year. See how it goes, then you can make a real decision.....otherwise you're just guessing and hoping.
Remember you're not getting a job in Dubuque, Iowa (of if you're Brit, a job in Upper Slaughter, Gloucestershire).
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hash
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| hash wrote: |
| .......It is much more likely that an offer will "come to nothing" AFTER both parties have agreed on the basics...... |
This is a quote from my previous post above. To continue a little further:
I'm not just imagining all this - such a scenario (or similar) is all too common. See for example the active POSTING currently on the board. Go to page 3 and read what "rosalind" is experiencing right now, at this moment.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=113445&start=30
Tellingly, she begins her posting with the ominous sentence: "Well, I really hoped my decision-making needs with regard to PMU had been resolved. But it looks as if that's not quite the case, yet." Tsk tsk.
Bottom Line: 1- Be skeptical of any "assurances". 2- Don't make any "life-changing" decisions (like selling a home, selling a car, getting married, spending all your savings, insisting your spouse accompany you right away, etc.) until you're "on site" working for several months and you're sure you want to make the job more than a 1 year gig.
------>> At this point, the biggest mistake you can make is to assume that your particular case "is different" and that you'll sail right through, unlike everybody else.....that you "understand" these "people" better than most (and that they understand YOU), and that your sterling credentials will smooth your pathway of any unpleasant obstacles. To quote one of my favorite phrases: Keep dreaming, Habeebtee
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