Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

I want out
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Japan
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
rxk22



Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1629

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2016 11:03 pm    Post subject: I want out Reply with quote

I have decided to start working on getting out of the English industry here. At least the non-corporate part( I wouldn't mind editing and helping deal with English speaking customers). I have more or less hit my ceiling. There isn't much more I can do to make more. Most jobs that pay more than my school require specific degrees, such as ESL( as in a BA/BS).
Also, the birthrate has me wondering how long we can keep our jobs.
Not too mention, that teaching English here, save for the rare exceptions, we don't have a real impact on our students, nor this country.

Anyhow not to be melodramatic, I am just starting to get my resume and such together. I do not have the time/money to get another degree, such as an MBA. I have little kids at home, which makes writing reports or serious studying very hard. I am aiming to to take the N2 next yer. I am studying for the N3 now.

Pitaro got into making aps. So there is hope for me.

Anyone have tips or advice on how to get hired, I would appreciate it. It looks like many recruiting sites want the N2, and will hire at that level. Otherwise, for now it's a smattering of gaijinpot ads.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
taikibansei



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Posts: 811
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What type of job do you want and feel qualified for? Here's a hint: If you do a search in English for the desired position on Yahoo!JAPAN, you will often be able to find job adverts--many posted only on company websites--from a variety of companies in that field. While a number of ads will be for places outside of Japan, many (most?) will be Japan-based. (The search engine can be finicky at times until you get used to it.)

That said, 2 kyu is usually the minimum to get hired, with 1 kyu preferred at many places. Remember that there is age discrimination in hiring here as well, with entry-level professional positions becoming progressively harder to find after 25. Given this, as somebody without 2 kyu Japanese language ability who doesn't want to teach English, the easiest way to get a good professional job in Japan would be to find a position in your specialty at a company in your home country, one with a Japan office (and/or Japanese connections)...and then get transferred. Still, starting looking and applying now--what do you have to lose?

Finally, be wary of taking a job here with the majority of your income commission-based. As you know, Japan (particularly Tokyo) can be a very expensive place to live, and your sales opportunities will be much more limited than the bilingual (sometimes trilingual) people working with you. I know a small number of foreigners trying to survive in these commission-based positions without Japanese ability. They are all struggling.

My two yen, anyway.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rtm



Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 1003
Location: US

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: I want out Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
Pitaro got into making aps.


Yes, but Pitarou also has a MSc in computer science.

What you can do may depend on what area(s) you have knowledge, training, and/or experience in. What is your degree in? Do you want to do work in that area?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
TokyoLiz



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Posts: 1548
Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anecdontal, I know, but a former colleague left ALT jobs to work in graphic design with minimal Japanese. He has an art degree from a good university, and I suspect he also went to Hello Work for assistance in retraining and job searching.

This service may be of assistance to you -

http://tokyo-foreigner.jsite.mhlw.go.jp/english.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rxk22



Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1629

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taikibansei wrote:
What type of job do you want and feel qualified for? Here's a hint: If you do a search in English for the desired position on Yahoo!JAPAN, you will often be able to find job adverts--many posted only on company websites--from a variety of companies in that field. While a number of ads will be for places outside of Japan, many (most?) will be Japan-based. (The search engine can be finicky at times until you get used to it.)

That said, 2 kyu is usually the minimum to get hired, with 1 kyu preferred at many places. Remember that there is age discrimination in hiring here as well, with entry-level professional positions becoming progressively harder to find after 25. Given this, as somebody without 2 kyu Japanese language ability who doesn't want to teach English, the easiest way to get a good professional job in Japan would be to find a position in your specialty at a company in your home country, one with a Japan office (and/or Japanese connections)...and then get transferred. Still, starting looking and applying now--what do you have to lose?

Finally, be wary of taking a job here with the majority of your income commission-based. As you know, Japan (particularly Tokyo) can be a very expensive place to live, and your sales opportunities will be much more limited than the bilingual (sometimes trilingual) people working with you. I know a small number of foreigners trying to survive in these commission-based positions without Japanese ability. They are all struggling.

My two yen, anyway.


Thank you for the tip. i will check it out. I did purchasing in my home country. I had to make sure the items I bought met SHA standards. I also know a great deal about finance, though I have a plain old history degree.

I don't mind teaching English at a corporation. I have seen some ads where you teach half the time and edit business papers the other half. That interests me as well

But as you said, my lack of Japanese and youth are holding me back.
I am going to try and take the N2 next year. It may be next Dec, but I think I can swing it.

I looked at yahoo.co.jp I will def have to get used to it. It has a very different algorithm than google. Thank you though
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rxk22



Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1629

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Liz for the link. I may give it a visit this summer. I still need to brush up my resume thoguh
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Inflames



Joined: 02 Apr 2006
Posts: 486

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: I want out Reply with quote

rtm wrote:
rxk22 wrote:
Pitaro got into making aps.


Yes, but Pitarou also has a MSc in computer science.



In IT here the demand is such that speaking some Japanese with good IT skills (or good Japanese with some IT skills) will get you a job. Working at a good company means you need a high level of both.

It might not be great (or, rather, your first job won't), but life is what you make of it (in that, once you get hired, you have to keep doing things to improve your position).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nomad soul



Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 11454
Location: The real world

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: I want out Reply with quote

Inflames wrote:
In IT here the demand is such that speaking some Japanese with good IT skills (or good Japanese with some IT skills) will get you a job. Working at a good company means you need a high level of both.

By "IT skills," do you mean proficiency with Microsoft Office Suite (e.g., Word, Excel, Outlook, and PowerPoint), Visio...? Or programming languages, software development, database administration, etc.?

rxk22:

If you're short on funds but can find some way to squeeze in study time, take a look at edX, Coursera, and Udacity for free to low-cost open courses (MOOCs) covering a variety of subjects and skills --- many are offered by top universities.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
taikibansei



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Posts: 811
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 4:04 am    Post subject: Re: I want out Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Inflames wrote:
In IT here the demand is such that speaking some Japanese with good IT skills (or good Japanese with some IT skills) will get you a job. Working at a good company means you need a high level of both.

By "IT skills," do you mean proficiency with Microsoft Office Suite (e.g., Word, Excel, Outlook, and PowerPoint), Visio...? Or programming languages, software development, database administration, etc.?


It would be the latter. Plenty of people in Japan have the former skills, so many in fact that such positions are often farmed out to companies providing contract (temp) workers to cut down on costs.

On the other hand, people with real expertise (including certification and/or substantial job experience) in programming languages, software development and database administration can often write their own tickets...not just in Japan but anywhere.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Inflames



Joined: 02 Apr 2006
Posts: 486

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 9:06 am    Post subject: Re: I want out Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Inflames wrote:
In IT here the demand is such that speaking some Japanese with good IT skills (or good Japanese with some IT skills) will get you a job. Working at a good company means you need a high level of both.

By "IT skills," do you mean proficiency with Microsoft Office Suite (e.g., Word, Excel, Outlook, and PowerPoint), Visio...? Or programming languages, software development, database administration, etc.?


The latter. Being proficient with at least Word and PowerPoint and familiar with Excel and Outlook are basic criteria for office jobs (as in someone who has substantial difficulty using them would have a rather difficult time getting hired).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nomad soul



Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 11454
Location: The real world

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inflames wrote:
nomad soul wrote:
Inflames wrote:
In IT here the demand is such that speaking some Japanese with good IT skills (or good Japanese with some IT skills) will get you a job. Working at a good company means you need a high level of both.

By "IT skills," do you mean proficiency with Microsoft Office Suite (e.g., Word, Excel, Outlook, and PowerPoint), Visio...? Or programming languages, software development, database administration, etc.?

The latter. Being proficient with at least Word and PowerPoint and familiar with Excel and Outlook are basic criteria for office jobs (as in someone who has substantial difficulty using them would have a rather difficult time getting hired).

Frankly, some teachers' MS Office skills aren't at the proficiency level expected for corporate work.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rxk22



Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1629

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ca use excel, word and power point pretty decently. I have to do make PP presentations for my school. I have also used them all in an office setting in my home country.

That said, I don't think I can just programming. I am probably much closer to learning Japanese to the point of it being useful. While anything computer related would take me much longer. Plus, using my cell I can study Japanese much better than I could study programming.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nomad soul



Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 11454
Location: The real world

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
I don't think I can just programming. I am probably much closer to learning Japanese to the point of it being useful.

Some folks aren't cut out for programming.

You should do some research to see what other knowledge/skills/abilities are big in Japan and that better fit your interests. You might also check out the American Chamber of Commerce in Japan (ACCJ) and British Chamber of Commerce in Japan (BCCJ) --- both offer networking opportunities.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
izmigari



Joined: 04 Feb 2016
Posts: 197
Location: Rubbing shoulders with the 8-Ball in the top left pocket

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this concern and advice for rxk22 is fine and dandy, my question to the OP would be:

Why did you wait for the conductor to blow the whistle and the doors to start to close before you made your fateful decision to change horses in the middle of the stream and decide to upgrade what most would consider rather pedestrian proficiently at commonly-used office software?

It doesn't sound like a well-though-out plan at all, but more like, "Now that I'm broke brothers, can you spare a dime?"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rxk22



Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1629

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
rxk22 wrote:
I don't think I can just programming. I am probably much closer to learning Japanese to the point of it being useful.

Some folks aren't cut out for programming.

You should do some research to see what other knowledge/skills/abilities are big in Japan and that better fit your interests. You might also check out the American Chamber of Commerce in Japan (ACCJ) and British Chamber of Commerce in Japan (BCCJ) --- both offer networking opportunities.


From what I have seen, is that the applicant per job is pretty low, ratio wise. So Japan really just needs workers in general. From what I have seen it looks like the N2 alone with college, and work experience will unlock doors for me. I know I will never be a seishain again, but to get out of teaching English, I have to give up something.

Thanks for the links, that is a big help.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Japan All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China