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getbehindthemule
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 Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 12:50 am Post subject: being 'frank to candidates' |
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This made me smile 
(note on holidays in regard to a Science teaching position, the school is also called 'OK Foreign Language School', so ok then)
Re holidays, foreign teachers have all Chinese public holidays with payment. About the summer and winter vacation, there is no summer vacation but 14 days （2 weeks) winter vacation with
payment. Actually, the teacher can have the whole summer and winter vacation if they like, but there is no payment.
We are an honest school and we are frank to candidates. If you are interested in the position, please let me know. |
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jimpellow
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| I like it. Thanks for sharing. Western manager? Walk-the-walk science teachers are hard to find in China. I am thinking it would help them, though a fair amount of these positions still offer paid vacations, and in that event would hurt them unless salary and other benefits outweighed what they offer. |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015
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Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| I like it. Thanks for sharing. Western manager? Walk-the-walk science teachers are hard to find in China. I am thinking it would help them, though a fair amount of these positions still offer paid vacations, and in that event would hurt them unless salary and other benefits outweighed what they offer. |
Chinese, I presume, and it will hurt them I reckon...
A lot of schools seem to offer an initial 10 month (Sept-June) contract. Then if they decide to try and re-sign the FT for another year, will offer a 12 month contract with summer pay.
I certainly wouldn't work in a full time teaching job without paid vacations. |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015
Posts: 712
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| getbehindthemule wrote: |
| jimpellow wrote: |
| I like it. Thanks for sharing. Western manager? Walk-the-walk science teachers are hard to find in China. I am thinking it would help them, though a fair amount of these positions still offer paid vacations, and in that event would hurt them unless salary and other benefits outweighed what they offer. |
Chinese, I presume, and it will hurt them I reckon...
A lot of schools seem to offer an initial 10 month (Sept-June) contract. Then if they decide to try and re-sign the FT for another year, will offer a 12 month contract with summer pay.
I certainly wouldn't work in a full time teaching job without paid vacations. |
www.nnezgjb.com/
12000RMB++or above per month for English(K-
12)/Math/Physics/Economics/Science/Chemistry teaching position from Nanning OK
Foreign Language School of China
This is Sophie from Nanning OK Foreign Language School.
Our school is a private school, one of whose biggest program is running the international
cooperation program with the local state Nanning No.2 High school. Our party offer
foreign courses, such as English language course and ALEVEL/AP academic courses
while the Chinese party offer Chinese core course. Now we have 4-5
English/Math/Physics/Economics/Science/Chemistry teaching positions and the salary
package for this position is 12000RMB++or above per month. We also provide the
English teaching for kids (k-12). Applicants must have a relevant bachelor degree and/or
higher. Those who have recognized qualifications in Education will receive added
benefits. At least two years teaching experience. Those with teaching experience are
prioritized. Applicants born and educated in Canada, the US, UK, Australia and New
Zealand preferred. The regular workload per week is 20 classroom teaching periods(40
minutes a period) and 5 office hours. There is the flight allowance and free studio-style
on-campus apartment for each foreign teacher. The one who doesn’t want to live on-
campus can get the housing allowance. The class size is no more than 30 students and
the students here, they are not top students but not bad students, just staying the
average academic level. We deliver work visa for foreign teachers. Re holidays, foreign
teachers have all Chinese public holidays with payment. About the summer and winter
vacation, there is no summer vacation but 14 days （2 weeks) winter vacation with
payment. Actually, the teacher can have the whole summer and winter vacation if they
like, but there is no payment.
We are an honest school and we are frank to candidates. If you are interested in the
position, please let me know.
Regards,
Sophi |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Being Frank is better than being Wong |
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Markness
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Posts: 738
Location: Chengdu
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| getbehindthemule wrote: |
| getbehindthemule wrote: |
| jimpellow wrote: |
| I like it. Thanks for sharing. Western manager? Walk-the-walk science teachers are hard to find in China. I am thinking it would help them, though a fair amount of these positions still offer paid vacations, and in that event would hurt them unless salary and other benefits outweighed what they offer. |
Chinese, I presume, and it will hurt them I reckon...
A lot of schools seem to offer an initial 10 month (Sept-June) contract. Then if they decide to try and re-sign the FT for another year, will offer a 12 month contract with summer pay.
I certainly wouldn't work in a full time teaching job without paid vacations. |
www.nnezgjb.com/
12000RMB++or above per month for English(K-
12)/Math/Physics/Economics/Science/Chemistry teaching position from Nanning OK
Foreign Language School of China
This is Sophie from Nanning OK Foreign Language School.
Our school is a private school, one of whose biggest program is running the international
cooperation program with the local state Nanning No.2 High school. Our party offer
foreign courses, such as English language course and ALEVEL/AP academic courses
while the Chinese party offer Chinese core course. Now we have 4-5
English/Math/Physics/Economics/Science/Chemistry teaching positions and the salary
package for this position is 12000RMB++or above per month. We also provide the
English teaching for kids (k-12). Applicants must have a relevant bachelor degree and/or
higher. Those who have recognized qualifications in Education will receive added
benefits. At least two years teaching experience. Those with teaching experience are
prioritized. Applicants born and educated in Canada, the US, UK, Australia and New
Zealand preferred. The regular workload per week is 20 classroom teaching periods(40
minutes a period) and 5 office hours. There is the flight allowance and free studio-style
on-campus apartment for each foreign teacher. The one who doesn’t want to live on-
campus can get the housing allowance. The class size is no more than 30 students and
the students here, they are not top students but not bad students, just staying the
average academic level. We deliver work visa for foreign teachers. Re holidays, foreign
teachers have all Chinese public holidays with payment. About the summer and winter
vacation, there is no summer vacation but 14 days （2 weeks) winter vacation with
payment. Actually, the teacher can have the whole summer and winter vacation if they
like, but there is no payment.
We are an honest school and we are frank to candidates. If you are interested in the
position, please let me know.
Regards,
Sophi |
There are quite a few red-flags in there. But then again, it is a training school. I think that you could do much much better than 12,000RMB for 80 hours a month. That's 150 yuan a class.. not that great. Especially considering that the tuition they pay is gigantic, very likely in the range of 50,000 - 100,000 RMB a year. And they have 30 kids per class. You do the math on that one.
I believe that since you are a science teacher you could make considerably more than the average English teacher. You are the golden goose for teachers in China. Don't sell yourself for anything less. Aim for the 20,000 RMB per month minimum, and try to avoid training schools at all costs. Those stepping stones are just that, stepping stones. They are the 7/11 and McDonalds jobs when it comes to English teaching. Not worthy of making a career out of it. Not worth the hassle of dealing with incompetence/lack of respect for a year or two, and all for a highway robbery-like pay. |
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getbehindthemule
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There are quite a few red-flags in there. But then again, it is a training school. I think that you could do much much better than 12,000RMB for 80 hours a month. That's 150 yuan a class.. not that great. Especially considering that the tuition they pay is gigantic, very likely in the range of 50,000 - 100,000 RMB a year. And they have 30 kids per class. You do the math on that one.
I believe that since you are a science teacher you could make considerably more than the average English teacher. You are the golden goose for teachers in China. Don't sell yourself for anything less. Aim for the 20,000 RMB per month minimum, and try to avoid training schools at all costs. Those stepping stones are just that, stepping stones. They are the 7/11 and McDonalds jobs when it comes to English teaching. Not worthy of making a career out of it. Not worth the hassle of dealing with incompetence/lack of respect for a year or two, and all for a highway robbery-like pay.[/quote]
Hey Markness,
I am quite happy at the public school where I currently teach Science and have recently commited to a third year. I just posted this for fun but your advice is appreciated none the less. Totally agree, one of the reasons that I moved here was to avoid such an environment that a language mill or training school could well provide!
I am not on 20K monthly salary but taking the overall package into account (rent allowance, annual airfare, full winter/summer pay, etc.), it could work out at more (haven't done the math) 
Cheers,
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twowheel
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^^^ Agreed. His Markness speaketh well and knoweth his stuff. Indeed.
twowheel |
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