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hash



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Raul739"][b]
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[b]Based on my own research from about 2 years ago -

The cheapest compound I was willing to live in cost around 6000 per month. That was considered a 'budget' compound.
It is standard to pay rent six months or a year in advance in all compounds.
There is a waiting list for compound accommodation. Bribes will get you bumped up the waiting list. In fact, sometimes that is the only way to get on a waiting list.

The DQ is nice and there are some small and affordable apartments there. The non-refundable key fee is six months or more of the yearly rental. They are in great demand and go quickly. However, you will need a reliable driver as taxis are rare.

Apartments in central Riyadh are not as expensive. A reasonable 2 bed/2 bath can go for 30,000 per annum. Possibly/probably less to non-white, Arabic speakers.

Very few teachers live on compounds. SBC used to house teachers in a compound in central Riyadh. Lots of teachers complained about the standard of the compound and they were relocated to Bonita Compound which is almost an hour out of town. The company provided buses were too crowded and no everyone was able to go shopping when they wanted to or needed to. Taxis were expensive and you couldn't just hail one on the street. Long daily commutes. Teachers complained again and were moved to an apartment/hotel block in Riyadh. A few managed to get their housing allowance and stay at Bonita but had to supplement the allowance as it was not enough for compound accommodation.


It is precisely because of this kind of MESS - and similar- having to do with "housing", that I long ago promised myself I would not accept a job in KSA unless HOUSING (furnished and with all the bells and whistles) was provided to me by the employer. I really don't care WHERE the housing is....on campus, 8 miles away, downtown etc etc. So long as it was available to me upon my arrival (more or less), so long as HE (the employer) was responsible for the wherewithall of a functioning dwelling, negotiating with the owner, upkeep and maintenance and so on, I was satisfied.

At one time, ALL western teachers...at least teachers I knew.... were given housing, however humble it might have been - by the employer. Plus transport to and from work. I'm not sure when that began to change, but I've managed to avoid it. At one time, it was considered unthinkable that a westerner would pound the pavement looking for housing in such a hostile and alien environment. How far we've fallen ! (Are you listening, Trump?)

(Notice that now, we're starting to hear about teachers having to buy their own airline tickets for initial entry into KSA with the "promise" of "reimbursement". Please......who are you trying to kid?

Yes, "some" teachers had "no problem" with finding their own housing.....there's always someone who wants to broadcast their "special" circumstance......but I don't buy it. Nor for a second.

I know that if I were to have to start looking for a dwelling upon arrival in KSA, I would already be exhausted on the 1st day of class (and don't forget -in many cases you're in front of the class the next day after arrival.).....and almost certainly in a ferocious mood.

But if teachers keep accepting this kind of treatment, it isn't going to go away....it will only get worse.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is precisely because of this kind of MESS - and similar- having to do with "housing", that I long ago promised myself I would not accept a job in KSA unless HOUSING (furnished and with all the bells and whistles) was provided to me by the employer. I really don't care WHERE the housing is....on campus, 8 miles away, downtown etc etc. So long as it was available to me upon my arrival (more or less), so long as HE (the employer) was responsible for the wherewithall of a functioning dwelling, negotiating with the owner, upkeep and maintenance and so on, I was satisfied.
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Yes, "some" teachers had "no problem" with finding their own housing.....there's always someone who wants to broadcast their "special" circumstance......but I don't buy it. Nor for a second.

I know that if I were to have to start looking for a dwelling upon arrival in KSA, I would already be exhausted on the 1st day of class (and don't forget -in many cases you're in front of the class the next day after arrival.).....and almost certainly in a ferocious mood.

But if teachers keep accepting this kind of treatment, it isn't going to go away....it will only get worse.[/b]

What "treatment?" The problem is with teachers who "knowingly accept" job offers that they feel require them to compromise. If employer-provided housing is a priority, then don't willingly accept a position that includes a housing allowance. Ditto for willingly accepting shared accommodation if you find the idea of living with strangers abhorrent. Point is, focusing solely on the money isn't likely to provide a satisfactory work/life balance for those who are conflicted about agreeing to "give up something."

And yes, some of us do get into special housing. Cool In my case, I approached the vice dean for assistance. She made a couple of phone calls and got me a place on campus. However, I was direct hire and I'm female, which makes a difference.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
And yes, some of us do get into special housing. Cool
In my case, I approached the vice dean for assistance. She made a couple of phone calls and got me a place on campus
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In other words, you had to beg for better housing. At the very least, you had to do all kinds of maneuvering and cajoling to get what you wanted. That is to say, despite your declaration, I highly doubt you simply "approached" the dean who made a couple of phone calls and SHAZAM, you got what you wanted Sorry, things don't work that way in KSA. You may have got what you wanted, but I bet it took a lot more than simply "approaching" the dean.

And that's my point. Why should you have to "ASK" anybody about/for housing?? It should be part and parcel of the contract. Unless housing is provided by the employer, IT'S ALWAYS A HASSLE from day one, to one extent or another and it never ends. There's ALWAYS something going wrong. It's a situation that can come to dominate your life. I don't want any part of it.

But there's much more.

KSA is not Europe or the USA....or even the Orient. There are mitigating circumstances relative to KSA that makes getting your own housing an enormous burden - dangerous and in many cases bewildering and even humiliating.

What worries me is that "getting your own housing" is now becoming the "new normal". But it isn't normal....It's highly abnormal for a new employee to be put in this situation....in the same manner that "paying for your airfare" is abnormal.

As I've said elsewhere, I'm constantly amazed at how COMPLIANT job seekers are especially with regards housing......it's like it's the most natural thing in the world to arrive in KSA and be put in a situation where you have to look for your own housing. Gee, how innocent and oblivious to what's going on can we get?

At some point, it becomes an issue of diminishing returns.....it's no longer worth it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hash wrote:
nomad soul wrote:
And yes, some of us do get into special housing. Cool
In my case, I approached the vice dean for assistance. She made a couple of phone calls and got me a place on campus.

In other words, you had to beg for better housing. At the very least, you had to do all kinds of maneuvering and cajoling to get what you wanted. That is to say, despite your declaration, I highly doubt you simply "approached" the dean who made a couple of phone calls and SHAZAM, you got what you wanted. Sorry, things don't work that way in KSA. You may have got what you wanted, but I bet it took a lot more than simply "approaching" the dean.

Not hardly. Nor am I high maintenance and whiny. I've stated in other threads that I received an annual accommodation allowance and was able to live in a unique housing situation. The vice dean had phoned me to say welcome and to ask if there was anything I needed. So, despite your insistence that such things never happen, do not underestimate the power of a Saudi woman in a high position. In fact, the Saudi women I worked with and at my housing were always my best resource for information as well as assistance, when needed.
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