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rosalind



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:44 am    Post subject: Going in on a "temporary" Work Visit Visa? Reply with quote

So... I learned in June that the university that offered me a position apparently encountered an issue with obtaining a block of work visas for the coming year. I've been on indefinite hold about this, and this morning I received this email. I'm really not sure about the implications and would love to know what you think.

"Due to the time constraints, we are now requesting to expedite your arrival to join [XXX] by 22nd of August 2016, so we would like to bring you on a Work Visit Visa for the moment. Please note that the Visit Visa does not require medical and police check and can be processed in 1-2 weeks duration. Since your degree attestation is a time consuming process, you may continue your degree attestation process while you join [XXX] on a Visit Visa.

Work Visit Visas are valid for 3 months and may be extended. We will allot a permanent work visa for you as soon as we agree and once we acquire it. You can go back to process the work visa in your respective home country in accordance to your passport later. Please confirm these terms so we can process your visa immediately.

Please note that in order to start the process of your visit visa, we require the documents/information listed below:
[... snipped]

However, we would like to clarify that there are some things you cannot do on a Visit Visa such as:

* You cannot own/ rent a car. However, [XXX] Housing offers shuttle bus services several times a day to and from the campus, as well as a weekly schedule to the malls and supermarkets;
* You cannot open a bank account. (We will be transferring your money to your international bank account, most International Debit/ Credit cards operate in KSA easily).
* You cannot buy a SIM card under your name.
* You cannot have multiple exit re-entry to KSA.
* We shall Apply for you and your spouse, subject to ministry approval.

All of these terms would be of course solved with the work visa, which we hope to finalize as soon as possible.
Please advise if you would like for us to arrange a Work Visit Visa for you, and if you do, we will also start the work visa requirements immediately.

Kindly acknowledge receipt of this email.
Should you have any questions, do not hesitate in e-mailing [...]"
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They seem to be giving you the option to withdraw your interest in the position after being in limbo for two months (too long). They've outlined the implications of working on a work visit visa. The decision is yours whether to chance it with them or move on and apply to other openings. (By the way, the US degree authentication and TEFL cert verification usually aren't time-consuming and could have already been done.)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: Going in on a "temporary" Work Visit Visa? Reply with quote

rosalind wrote:


However, we would like to clarify that there are some things you cannot do on a Visit Visa such as:

* You cannot own/ rent a car. However, [XXX] Housing offers shuttle bus services several times a day to and from the campus, as well as a weekly schedule to the malls and supermarkets;
* You cannot open a bank account. (We will be transferring your money to your international bank account, most International Debit/ Credit cards operate in KSA easily).
* You cannot buy a SIM card under your name.
* You cannot have multiple exit re-entry to KSA.
* We shall Apply for you and your spouse, subject to ministry approval.



It's nice that they bothered to forewarn you of the visit visa limitations, but you should know that they probably will not end up converting you to a proper work visa (I could be wrong).
-Clarify the banking details, as they may end up paying you in cash should you not possess what they deem an international bank account
-You can easily obtain a Sim card through one of STC's offices with your passport (U.S. at least) alone.
*This may end up being a nice setup for you, but to be perfectly honest, I would walk away given the non-multiple re-entry
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Makkah



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Going in on a "temporary" Work Visit Visa? Reply with quote

rosalind wrote:
We will allot a permanent work visa for you as soon as we agree and once we acquire it."


Specifically, check 'we'.....because in the above line there are three ways to give you the run around. One person(s)/entity allots the visa, another person(s)/entity has to agree and finally another person(s)/entity has to acquire the visa.
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rosalind



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Going in on a "temporary" Work Visit Visa? Reply with quote

Thank you very much for the feedback, everyone -- it's much appreciated.

I'd like to drill down on these three questions:
RedLightning wrote:
rosalind wrote:

However, we would like to clarify that there are some things you cannot do on a Visit Visa such as:
* You cannot open a bank account. (We will be transferring your money to your international bank account, most International Debit/ Credit cards operate in KSA easily).
* You cannot buy a SIM card under your name.
* You cannot have multiple exit re-entry to KSA.

[...]
-Clarify the banking details, as they may end up paying you in cash should you not possess what they deem an international bank account
-You can easily obtain a Sim card through one of STC's offices with your passport (U.S. at least) alone.
*This may end up being a nice setup for you, but to be perfectly honest, I would walk away given the non-multiple re-entry


1.) Can you give me any more detail on what you mean by "what they deem an international bank account" ? I do have some concern about this. My U.S. bank account is with a small credit union: it can receive international wire transfers, but it requires going through a third-party intermediary. I'm wondering if I might be well advised to open a new account with a larger U.S. bank before departing for Saudi.

Being paid in cash only would cause **serious** problems, as I absolutely need to be able to transfer money home for debt payment and savings starting as soon as I start working. OTOH, if they can/do actually transfer money to my U.S. account, that would be fine.

2.) That's interesting to hear about the SIM card. Any thoughts on why the school would be telling me the opposite?

3.) Can anyone help me understand more clearly what the implications *are* for a "non-multiple re-entry" visa? I feel like I may be missing something important here (namely: why is this such an alarming idea?)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Going in on a "temporary" Work Visit Visa? Reply with quote

rosalind wrote:
Thank you very much for the feedback, everyone -- it's much appreciated.

I'd like to drill down on these three questions:
RedLightning wrote:
rosalind wrote:

However, we would like to clarify that there are some things you cannot do on a Visit Visa such as:
* You cannot open a bank account. (We will be transferring your money to your international bank account, most International Debit/ Credit cards operate in KSA easily).
* You cannot buy a SIM card under your name.
* You cannot have multiple exit re-entry to KSA.

[...]
-Clarify the banking details, as they may end up paying you in cash should you not possess what they deem an international bank account
-You can easily obtain a Sim card through one of STC's offices with your passport (U.S. at least) alone.
*This may end up being a nice setup for you, but to be perfectly honest, I would walk away given the non-multiple re-entry


1.) Can you give me any more detail on what you mean by "what they deem an international bank account" ? I do have some concern about this. My U.S. bank account is with a small credit union: it can receive international wire transfers, but it requires going through a third-party intermediary. I'm wondering if I might be well advised to open a new account with a larger U.S. bank before departing for Saudi.

Being paid in cash only would cause **serious** problems, as I absolutely need to be able to transfer money home for debt payment and savings starting as soon as I start working. OTOH, if they can/do actually transfer money to my U.S. account, that would be fine.

2.) That's interesting to hear about the SIM card. Any thoughts on why the school would be telling me the opposite?

3.) Can anyone help me understand more clearly what the implications *are* for a "non-multiple re-entry" visa? I feel like I may be missing something important here (namely: why is this such an alarming idea?)


1) no idea
2) never knew you could do that, always thought you needed an Iqama, if true, the school might not know either, but like the previous poster said, easy enough to get a colleague to get it and use their ID number when you add credit.
3) a multiple entry gives you the freedom to leave at any time, no matter what. A single must be asked for every time. Not a problem with a decent employer, but with a bad employer it could cause problems.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rosalind wrote:
    However, we would like to clarify that there are some things you cannot do on a Visit Visa such as:

    * You cannot open a bank account. (We will be transferring your money to your international bank account, most International Debit/ Credit cards operate in KSA easily).
    * You cannot buy a SIM card under your name.
    * You cannot have multiple exit re-entry to KSA.

1.) Can you give me any more detail on what you mean by "what they deem an international bank account" ? I do have some concern about this. My U.S. bank account is with a small credit union: it can receive international wire transfers, but it requires going through a third-party intermediary. I'm wondering if I might be well advised to open a new account with a larger U.S. bank before departing for Saudi.

Being paid in cash only would cause **serious** problems, as I absolutely need to be able to transfer money home for debt payment and savings starting as soon as I start working. OTOH, if they can/do actually transfer money to my U.S. account, that would be fine.

2.) That's interesting to hear about the SIM card. Any thoughts on why the school would be telling me the opposite?

3.) Can anyone help me understand more clearly what the implications *are* for a "non-multiple re-entry" visa? I feel like I may be missing something important here (namely: why is this such an alarming idea?)

The biggest issue with visit visa types is that you won't have a Saudi muqeem ID card (AKA resident ID card). Cell phone credits and SIM cards, Internet services, loans/bank accounts, rentals, etc. are tied to each legal resident's unique ID number. Think of it like a general account number for a variety of services.

Anyway, based on the above, the university will wire your pay into your foreign (US) credit union account since you have a routing number for incoming international transfers. They stated that you won't be able to purchase a SIM card under your name --- not that you can't get one. You'd have to ask the HR rep about your options.

As for the multiple exit/re-entry to KSA, it's unclear if they're referring to leaving and returning on a temporary work visit visa, or if they simply don't allow exit/reentry visas for their employees (those who entered KSA on an employment visa). Ask for clarification.
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peripatetic_soul



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:40 pm    Post subject: Going in on a temporary work visa Reply with quote

Rosalind,

Sent you a PM about benefits of credit union account vs. regular bank account while teaching overseas. In essence, credit unions typically do not charge a transaction fee for receipt of wire transfers, whereas most banks do. Also, banks often charge a % of the amount wired as a "convenience" fee. Terms and conditions vary widely from bank to bank.

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Karitos



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To clarify some about the SIM card:

You can get a SIM card in your name without an iqama, at least at the airport. However, I believe you would be restricted to a pre-paid SIM. So you probably couldn't get a SIM card with a monthly payment plan, etc, but you definitely can get a pre-paid SIM just with your passport (well, at least on a USA passport, I don't know beyond that).
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:14 pm    Post subject: going in on visit visa Reply with quote

I have heard of people doing this and it is not a problem. They get converted. I doubt they are trying to steer you away or do something unethical. I have worked in Saudi for five years and Im going back. I love it and I have had a great time there. Saudis are wonderful and loving people.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karitos wrote:
To clarify some about the SIM card:

You can get a SIM card in your name without an iqama, at least at the airport. However, I believe you would be restricted to a pre-paid SIM. So you probably couldn't get a SIM card with a monthly payment plan, etc, but you definitely can get a pre-paid SIM just with your passport (well, at least on a USA passport, I don't know beyond that).


Even with prepaid sims you need an iqama.. In fact, they updated the requirements and you had to go to give more info recently because of new legislation.
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Karitos



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

currentaffairs wrote:

Even with prepaid sims you need an iqama.. In fact, they updated the requirements and you had to go to give more info recently because of new legislation.


As of May 2016, you did not need an iqama for a prepaid SIM, at least at the airport. If it's been updated since then, I don't know.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:20 pm    Post subject: Business Visa? Reply with quote

I'm going on a Business Visa, which I don't know why this is a little bit different or what it allows or doesn't allow you to do. Anybody know?

Not sure what medical tests you have to take with the Business Visa?

It's supposed to be multiple entry/exit.

Thanks for your reply.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many threads on Busoiness Visas. There are two schools of thought on the Business Visa. Use the "search" function.My line is that if you work on one of these you are breaking the law.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

worldtraveler411 wrote:
I'm going on a Business Visa, which I don't know why this is a little bit different or what it allows or doesn't allow you to do. Anybody know?

Not sure what medical tests you have to take with the Business Visa?

It's supposed to be multiple entry/exit.

You've posted that you have an MA in ESL and UAE experience. Why are you not focusing on direct-hire positions or at least contracting companies that provide a proper employment/work visa?
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