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kingofhearts
Joined: 15 Sep 2016
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 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:06 pm Post subject: Mianyang Dongcheng Intl School (Sichuan) |
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Friends and Colleagues,
I'm reporting here for the second time in just a few days with a harsh critique of a school. Yes, allegations are easy to make. It can be difficult (impossible, even) to verify matters of fact. And cynics will issue challenges, no doubt.
Hand on heart, I've examined my conscience. There is no intent to wound or hurt unnecessarily in any of my accusations, here or elsewhere. The intention is simply to save you the misery that I suffered. I suffered from lack of information. You won't do so, with my help.
Materially--Dongcheng Intl School in Mianyang (Sichuan province) offered me 12.5k RMB a month to teach academic writing in their high school in March of this year (2016).
Upon arrival, I was put in a hotel room and subjected to another four or five days of interviews. Finally, I was offered 8000 a month to teach elementary school．Comically, they (the bozo hiring board) claimed that 8000 would be "better" for me than 12.5. They cited a vegetarian tea-totaling departing teacher who supposedly lived on 500 a month--well, you work out the logic. A Chinese or Confucian logic maybe.
At the end of about a month, I was paid just 4000 RMB. An additional 500 was meant to be deposited to my bank account after I'd vacated the school's apartment. Ha, ha, ha. And I'm sorry, but what's a Chinese promise? Don't accuse me of pre-judice; it's post-judice. I've been in China on and off since 2008.
Meanwhile--maybe you thought that corporal punishment was illegal in the People`s Republic of China? Well, it is. But I saw kids being beaten with sticks every day in Dongcheng Elementary School. I didn't like it. It reminded me too much of my own childhood. Let's move forward, people—hitting little children with sticks isn't nice. It just plain isn't.
There were two good foreign teachers there—in the high school, where they may not have seen the corporal abuse--both fluent in Chinese, one with a PhD, the other with a degree from Berkeley--both were leaving. The one “keeper” was a working-class man with a very, very broad north-of-Watford accent (Sunderland, I think, though I'm a Yank and not exactly an expert on England's lower orders). Sorry, friends--the facts of life can be harsh. So he's from there and like that--so what, right? But "effing this" and "effing that" right in front of the students--and a Powerpoint compilation of Formula One car crashes as his idea of a class--well, sorry, mate, but no, you ain't it.
I could go into so much more detail. The outer reaches of insanity at this place. Yes, I was accused of being seen in the downtown bars every night. Never went there once! Meanwhile, how about the unannounced early morning inspection of my toilet bowl, by the VP, if that's what she was--stormed right into my apartment without a hint of a greeting and went directly to the toilet bowl. Looking for what? Unbelievable!
Friends, just avoid this place. I'd add a lot more detail, but if you've read this far, you've more than got the drift. Avoid, avoid, avoid! |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015
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Location: Shanghai
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Wow, this it pretty horrific and sorry that you ended up in a situation like that. It makes me feel very glad to be working for a professional and trustworthy outfit.
Why did you even stay after you were conned in the first place? |
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kingofhearts
Joined: 15 Sep 2016
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:55 pm Post subject: Why I Stayed |
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| getbehindthemule wrote: |
Wow, this it pretty horrific and sorry that you ended up in a situation like that. It makes me feel very glad to be working for a professional and trustworthy outfit.
Why did you even stay after you were conned in the first place? |
I stayed because my previous employer, an international school in Beijing, had closed its doors without notice and left me (together with both local and foreign teachers and staff) unpaid in January and February of this year (over the end-of-term holiday).
It's been a chronicle of abuses here--I have been cheated out of money owed, for work done, by my last FOUR employers here in China--the first two in Beijing, the third in Sichuan province (chronicled on this forum yesterday), the fourth in Heilongjiang (chronicled here about a week ago).
That's just my four most recent jobs. I was cheated out of THOUSANDS of RMB and/or USD, however you want to count it, all the way back in 2008 and through the year 2009 and so on. I attempted a southward exit to Vietnam--no luck there. This entire part of the world (East Asia) is, in my experience, so basically in love with EVIL that it will just plain destroy you, just because it can. The exceptions seem to be Japan (though not in my experience), where at least you have contract law in force, and South Korea, where there are both residual Japanese influences (however much disclaimed) and Christian influences which will make at times for good relationships.
Friends, China is a very, very dangerous country. Don't expect to be paid for work done here. In my experience, you won't be.
Of course, YMMV (your mileage may vary), as the saying goes. I've got nothing but sympathy and respect for anyone out there who's made a go of things in China.
But my experience remains what it is. I've just been robbed blind by the Chinese, time and time again.
I'm in China now and surviving. I should never have left Korea, where I had good jobs between 2001 and 2007. If you're in Korea and getting paid--stay there. STAY IN KOREA, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! All Chinese promises and contracts are MEANINGLESS. Man, what a bleeping, horrid, desperate disappointment. But it's so sadly true. Chinese people are criminals--period. Don't come here. It's a nightmare. China is evil. Full stop. |
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SH_Panda
Joined: 31 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Why I Stayed |
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| kingofhearts wrote: |
| getbehindthemule wrote: |
Wow, this it pretty horrific and sorry that you ended up in a situation like that. It makes me feel very glad to be working for a professional and trustworthy outfit.
Why did you even stay after you were conned in the first place? |
I stayed because my previous employer, an international school in Beijing, had closed its doors without notice and left me (together with both local and foreign teachers and staff) unpaid in January and February of this year (over the end-of-term holiday).
It's been a chronicle of abuses here--I have been cheated out of money owed, for work done, by my last FOUR employers here in China--the first two in Beijing, the third in Sichuan province (chronicled on this forum yesterday), the fourth in Heilongjiang (chronicled here about a week ago).
That's just my four most recent jobs. I was cheated out of THOUSANDS of RMB and/or USD, however you want to count it, all the way back in 2008 and through the year 2009 and so on. I attempted a southward exit to Vietnam--no luck there. This entire part of the world (East Asia) is, in my experience, so basically in love with EVIL that it will just plain destroy you, just because it can. The exceptions seem to be Japan (though not in my experience), where at least you have contract law in force, and South Korea, where there are both residual Japanese influences (however much disclaimed) and Christian influences which will make at times for good relationships.
Friends, China is a very, very dangerous country. Don't expect to be paid for work done here. In my experience, you won't be.
Of course, YMMV (your mileage may vary), as the saying goes. I've got nothing but sympathy and respect for anyone out there who's made a go of things in China.
But my experience remains what it is. I've just been robbed blind by the Chinese, time and time again.
I'm in China now and surviving. I should never have left Korea, where I had good jobs between 2001 and 2007. If you're in Korea and getting paid--stay there. STAY IN KOREA, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! All Chinese promises and contracts are MEANINGLESS. Man, what a bleeping, horrid, desperate disappointment. But it's so sadly true. Chinese people are criminals--period. Don't come here. It's a nightmare. China is evil. Full stop. |
I moved here from Korea and haven't looked back.
I'm just one guy and I've had two jobs in China in the last 5 years that have been great. No money issues, no lies and I have developed my career along the way.
Am I an exception? I doubt it. I think anyone with the right attitude can make a success of themselves here.
As for you, it sounds like you are not very good at doing your homework or due diligence on potential employers. I don't think you should be spouting silly blanket, borderline racist statements like that about the Chinese either. |
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kingofhearts
Joined: 15 Sep 2016
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Why I Stayed |
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| SH_Panda wrote: |
| kingofhearts wrote: |
| getbehindthemule wrote: |
Wow, this it pretty horrific and sorry that you ended up in a situation like that. It makes me feel very glad to be working for a professional and trustworthy outfit.
Why did you even stay after you were conned in the first place? |
I stayed because my previous employer, an international school in Beijing, had closed its doors without notice and left me (together with both local and foreign teachers and staff) unpaid in January and February of this year (over the end-of-term holiday).
It's been a chronicle of abuses here--I have been cheated out of money owed, for work done, by my last FOUR employers here in China--the first two in Beijing, the third in Sichuan province (chronicled on this forum yesterday), the fourth in Heilongjiang (chronicled here about a week ago).
That's just my four most recent jobs. I was cheated out of THOUSANDS of RMB and/or USD, however you want to count it, all the way back in 2008 and through the year 2009 and so on. I attempted a southward exit to Vietnam--no luck there. This entire part of the world (East Asia) is, in my experience, so basically in love with EVIL that it will just plain destroy you, just because it can. The exceptions seem to be Japan (though not in my experience), where at least you have contract law in force, and South Korea, where there are both residual Japanese influences (however much disclaimed) and Christian influences which will make at times for good relationships.
Friends, China is a very, very dangerous country. Don't expect to be paid for work done here. In my experience, you won't be.
Of course, YMMV (your mileage may vary), as the saying goes. I've got nothing but sympathy and respect for anyone out there who's made a go of things in China.
But my experience remains what it is. I've just been robbed blind by the Chinese, time and time again.
I'm in China now and surviving. I should never have left Korea, where I had good jobs between 2001 and 2007. If you're in Korea and getting paid--stay there. STAY IN KOREA, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! All Chinese promises and contracts are MEANINGLESS. Man, what a bleeping, horrid, desperate disappointment. But it's so sadly true. Chinese people are criminals--period. Don't come here. It's a nightmare. China is evil. Full stop. |
I moved here from Korea and haven't looked back.
I'm just one guy and I've had two jobs in China in the last 5 years that have been great. No money issues, no lies and I have developed my career along the way.
Am I an exception? I doubt it. I think anyone with the right attitude can make a success of themselves here.
As for you, it sounds like you are not very good at doing your homework or due diligence on potential employers. I don't think you should be spouting silly blanket, borderline racist statements like that about the Chinese either. |
Reconsider your allegation of racism.
I lived in South Korea between 2001 and 2007, and then again in 2013. Within that time, I made several brief trips to Japan. I HAVE NO SUBSTANTIVE COMPLAINTS about how I was treated in either of those countries.
Since 2008, I've been mostly in China. It's been non-stop nightmares here. NO, "RACE" IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is culture. Consequent and attendant issues are law and civility and other hard-to-define or pin down issues such as trustworthiness and decency and grace.
To observe that China, in its mainland, at this point in history, LACKS all such things is, well, one thing.
It's not DNA. It's culture, broadly speaking. Or the lack thereof.
Chinese culture teaches that STRONGER IS BETTER. OBEY THE EMPEROR. LOVE YOUR COMMUNIST GOD/KING XI JING PING. LISTEN TO YOUR HUSBAND! OBEY YOUR FATHER!
Sorry, friend, but do you have a Chinese gf who's doing it for you?
I've got a would-be wife of my own. She's Chinese and wants to marry me. Yet another nightmare. It's not a CULTURE I'm about to marry into. Make the distinction, friend--culture, Dna; dna, culture--two different things entirely. |
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