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Teaching in Japan > Not a Good Deal For The Over 40's
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Jmbf



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shakey wrote:

However, for those who are qualified, Japan is among one of the most lucrative TEFL destinations in the world. I would even say that it's even the best. Besides Japan, in which countries do university TEFL teachers, for example, receive $4,000 - $10,000 a year in annual research budgets? In what other countries can TEFL teachers receive up to $20,000 - $25,000 a year in summer and winter bonuses? The answer is none that I am aware of. Not Korea. Not Taiwan. Not China. Not even in the UAE or Saudi Arabia. The good TEFL jobs in Japan pay a western-like salary and include all of the usual benefits regarding healthcare, pension, cost-of-living allowances, etc.


Some Hong Kong teaching positions offer similar pay / benefits to those you mentioned above.
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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
Since 2009 the Americans have been coming, and there is just too much competition.


Actually, "the Americans" (and many other nationalities) have been coming here to teach since the 1870s. The biggest change since the mid-2000s is the collapse of Nova (and the impact of this collapse on the eikaiwa scene). Until then, you used to be able to make a decent living working at eikaiwas, with a number of people progressing on into management and doing quite well for themselves. That has gotten far more difficult.

mitsui wrote:
Teachers with even a doctorate cannot get a full-time job, and instead teach part-time at different universities. There are teachers who live in Saitama and work in Kanagawa. Their commutes are brutal, and I guess they stand it since they get vacations. But don't lie - there is a demographic crisis coming. Jobs will vanish. Schools are looking to save money.


While experiences seem to differ, I don't think anybody is lying on this thread. Regarding your unemployed PhD friends, though, I take it they never took advantage of Prime Minister Abe's 2013 initiative to hire an additional 1,500-3,000 foreign PhD holders by 2018? He makes this statement in this:
http://www.kantei.go.jp/jp/96_abe/statement/2013/0517speech.html
and in one other speech (that I'm too lazy to find right now). The result has been the biggest foreigner hiring frenzy of the last 30 years, including nearly 300 job searches just last year. (My friend is the dept. head at a university in Kumamoto which was desperately looking for five PhDs in TESOL-related fields...and got only eleven qualified applicants.) While the hiring for most of these new positions has been completed, there are still a few searches ongoing. Hope your PhD friends consider applying!

mitsui wrote:
Not all of us is going to get N1 and have piles of publications.


Which is certainly your choice.

mitsui wrote:
More publications and better Japanese doesn't means better conditions.


You're right that nothing is guaranteed. That said, as a number of other posters have now shared, getting more and better qualifications, better Japanese language ability, publications, and more and better connections has worked out great for a lot of people. Moreover, if you don't do this, you will never have a chance at the better jobs.

mitsui wrote:
And say you teach at a university and know Japanese well, but at meetings your opinion is not valued. All that is required is that you can read the handouts, nod your head and say wakarimashita. Why bother?


Because--wait for it--this is not the typical experience for many foreigners. And for those foreigners who are stuck in such departments, there's always the money, long vacations, and other perks to make the "bother" worth it. Finally, you know, there are no guarantees that working at "home" will be any better. I was a full-time lecturer at a great university (wish I could have gotten tenure there) back in my home country. However, I was also an associate professor (i.e., with tenure) at one that was...not so great. Frankly, my experiences in Japan have been better...as is the money.

Just to make sure there is no confusion, I will end this post by reiterating a point I made in my first post to this thread. I agree with you that I would not recommend starting a teaching career in Japan after the age of 40--unless one is either independently wealthy or has the qualifications to be ultra competitive for international schools/full-time university positions. The conditions at entry-level positions in Japan are horrible and getting worse. Moreover, age discrimination in this country is real, and the only way around it is to become (over)qualified and relatively fluent (including reading and writing) in Japanese. The days when unqualified native English speakers could just waltz in to lucrative, full-time teaching positions are long gone.
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kzjohn



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, age discrimination...

Post-retirement I think it'd be great to work in the mtns: http://www.inkknot.com

But the ads often list age ranges only up to 45-50. (and it's late in the season--spring is a better time for this)
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You assume everyone should act like you. Not everyone is willing to move anywhere since they may have a place to live and the spouse already has a job.
Not everyone can get to N1 even if they try. It does not make them dumb or lazy. Some teachers come to Japan in their 30s or later. Learning a foreign language as one gets older is not easy.
Not everyone wants a doctorate.

Not everyone dreams of being a university teacher with tenure. They just want stability and a decent salary.

Teachers I know are not unemployed but UNDERemployed.
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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
You assume everyone should act like you. Not everyone is willing to move anywhere since they may have a place to live and the spouse already has a job.
Not everyone can get to N1 even if they try. It does not make them dumb or lazy. Some teachers come to Japan in their 30s or later. Learning a foreign language as one gets older is not easy.
Not everyone wants a doctorate.

Not everyone dreams of being a university teacher with tenure. They just want stability and a decent salary.

Teachers I know are not unemployed but UNDERemployed.


Mitsui, I don't believe I've ever called anybody dumb or lazy. Also, I've never thought, nor argued, that university positions are the only way to go, or that a PhD is (or should be) required to live and work in Japan. Yes, if one is over 40 and seeking to start a teaching career in Japan, my recommendation is getting hired from overseas at either an international school or a university. Why? Again, the age discrimination issue, plus the fact that it is difficult to get direct hire high school positions, school board roles or successful school ownership without the connections that come with previous, extensive stays in Japan.

If one is younger and/or has previous ties to this country, then there are a lot more options. Indeed, I think most of the people (TokyoLiz, timothypfox, rxk22, harp, etc.) posting to this thread are not university teachers, yet doing well to quite well. (If I remember correctly, Kzjohn and Shakey do have university jobs.)

Good look to you and your friends with regards to your job situations.
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victory7



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think everyone's posts have validity. I lean more to Mitsui's side because the observable evidence is there in our faces about the even more rapid decline in hiring opportunities twinned with increasing demands for higher qualifications that frankly are not needed in so many jobs over even the last 5 years or so.

Senmon gakko alone are often demanding MAs or Phds or teaching licences for jobs that have been successfully handled in the past by people without those qualifications. Some of the worst English teachers I have met in Japan have MAs/Phds. Those kinds of people never could and never will be able to walk into a classroom that only has a whiteboard or blackboard, and teach dynamic, focused English classes to all kinds of students including mixed level adult students.

Those 'highly qualified' teachers simply did not have the skill-sets to communicate effectively nor in many cases the wide range of teaching experiences that some teachers in Japan had in the 90s and early 2,000s to mid 200s prior to the real beginning of the downhill slide. Those kinds of native English speaking teachers had real-world experience teaching in community colleges or other colleges back home.

Getting away from senmon gakko, most of the standard college/university job ads around Tokyo demanding MAs and Phds are actually part-time. I am sure this is a very understandable beef Mitsui and others have with the so called increase in opportunities for qualified English teachers in Japan. Many teachers can't match their higher qualifications with suitable jobs as it's the same ol we won't give you many hours but you'll be expected to be available when you could be doing something that is a better opportunity financially and for possible advancement.

Sure, Mr Abe's commitment to employing foreign Phd holders is good but those jobs mostly have very high bars, are very specialised, and do not necessarily require the kind of English teaching and lateral thinking communication skills honed for some years in various kinds of teaching.

And it's also an observable truth that the big numbers of young North Americans coming to Japan (and who have also gone in big numbers to Korea) since around 2009 have played a role in dramatically lowering opportunities for people who were/are in East Asia for teaching as a well-thought out move because this is what they do or they want to do.

I don't blame them at all for coming - it's fascinating even now to hear from some of them that they are unemployed IT people back home and have come here to try and find not IT but English teaching jobs - but the sheer increase in numbers and the obvious need to find anything that pays has resulted in a worse English language working environment for others. As well as them.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It isn't just foreign teachers - there are Japanese with PhDs teaching part-time around Tokyo.

What I find is that people with a PhD will get more koma than I will (since I merely have a MA), but they don't want to be stuck working at 4 or 5 universities.

There are just too many teachers. I don't think things can get better in the future as there will be fewer students. I think it is amazing how the universities have managed to stay open. They have because the part-time teachers are shouldering a big burden.

There is more opportunity in Hong Kong and China for the intrepid. Plus if you get into teacher training or testing over there, it isn't bad at all.
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