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siologen
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 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:03 pm Post subject: re: dragonpiwo |
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Just to clarify my posting was not doubting you.
I was more in agreement that the MA in literature/philosophy types do tend to get a bit haughty. It is not reinventing the wheel after all. And yes, there are those with unrelated BA's living and teaching well in the gulf, much as it may irk the "paper chasers"!    |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| siologen wrote: |
| The MA in literature/philosophy types do tend to get a bit haughty. It is not reinventing the wheel after all. And yes, there are those with unrelated BA's living and teaching well in the gulf, much as it may irk the "paper chasers"! |
If that tends to describe your workplace, it's probably because your employer has encouraged a toxic work environment. As an advocate for education/learning (AKA a "paper chaser" in your book), I doubt anyone gives a hoot about their colleagues' academic qualifications as long as everyone is focused on their job. However, employers and education ministries have a legit interest in quals and the right to set specific requirements. If anything, that tends to irk job seekers who don't meet that mark. |
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siologen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:46 am Post subject: re: valid point |
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| it's probably because your employer has encouraged a toxic work environment |
I would agree here,but I am no longer in Oman, and nor would I return. To be fair, the HOD in question actually seemed to be quite fair and nice, even when delivering a reprisal. It was the other western and mostly female FT's who seemed to be "toxic". Anyway, everyone will have their own experiences, each to their own!!!! |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: re: valid point |
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| siologen wrote: |
| I would agree here,but I am no longer in Oman, and nor would I return. To be fair, the HOD in question actually seemed to be quite fair and nice, even when delivering a reprisal. It was the other western and mostly female FT's who seemed to be "toxic". |
Yeah, you've mentioned your Oman experience on several forums now. It's a nonissue; this type of work environment occurs everywhere, including our home countries. We can't choose our coworkers.
Anyway, hopefully this thread can go back to discussing teaching for the MoE. |
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siologen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:16 pm Post subject: re: fair enough.. |
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| It's a nonissue; this type of work environment occurs everywhere, including our home countries. |
Fair enough, only too happy to get back on the thread. I will say this though, in the UK and China, I never EVER experienced anything as backstabbing and toxic as the FT's office in that one town in Oman. OK, that is personal experience, but there were plenty more there who agreed with me. |
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canadianUAE
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I was looking for comments about MOE...it definitely turned into something else lol..
anyhow, any news on MOE? From what I've heard, lots of teachers leaving. They keep cutting "perks" like paying for children's schooling. That adds to having to pay your own flat, pay your own ticket each year to travel to home country, pay for a car, as you need one here. Working for incompetent, controlling twits who seem to think they're God. It's not going to get any better anytime soon. Emiirati teachers are fed up, and they work fewer hours, I should say, teach fewer hours, for hire pay. But they're upset with treatment etc. Very bad situation. |
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scarlie
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:35 pm Post subject: Airfare |
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| Hello canadianUAE...Are you saying that the $5700 includes the allowance for airfare? |
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RustyShackleford
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| I know I got one mate who made it in who is now looking for a way out. Another friend is getting messages in December after having been interviewed BEFORE I was in April. Clearly they need people and I'm ever increasingly glad I walked away from the e-ticket in my box. |
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PokerZero
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| canadianUAE wrote: |
I was looking for comments about MOE...it definitely turned into something else lol..
anyhow, any news on MOE? From what I've heard, lots of teachers leaving. They keep cutting "perks" like paying for children's schooling. That adds to having to pay your own flat, pay your own ticket each year to travel to home country, pay for a car, as you need one here. Working for incompetent, controlling twits who seem to think they're God. It's not going to get any better anytime soon. Emiirati teachers are fed up, and they work fewer hours, I should say, teach fewer hours, for hire pay. But they're upset with treatment etc. Very bad situation. |
I get emails from The Guardian with local jobs and there have been a lot of govt (though maybe not MOE) jobs advertised as 'Dubai & Northern Emirates, [SUBJECT] teachers needed 21,000 AED no additional housing, school fees, etc though I believe it does include annual flights and some relocation allowance if you're hired from overseas.
Apparently a formal teaching certificate (PGCE etc) is not required but 2 years teaching experience is required. An ex-colleague of mine interviewed successfully back in July but only got his start date last week - he starts next week. From what he has told me it's teaching Emirati high school students and there were/are lots of positions needed across all high school subject areas. |
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mishmumkin
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| canadianUAE wrote: |
I was looking for comments about MOE...it definitely turned into something else lol..
anyhow, any news on MOE? From what I've heard, lots of teachers leaving. They keep cutting "perks" like paying for children's schooling. That adds to having to pay your own flat, pay your own ticket each year to travel to home country, pay for a car, as you need one here. Working for incompetent, controlling twits who seem to think they're God. It's not going to get any better anytime soon. Emiirati teachers are fed up, and they work fewer hours, I should say, teach fewer hours, for hire pay. But they're upset with treatment etc. Very bad situation. |
I get emails from The Guardian with local jobs and there have been a lot of govt (though maybe not MOE) jobs advertised as 'Dubai & Northern Emirates, [SUBJECT] teachers needed 21,000 AED no additional housing, school fees, etc though I believe it does include annual flights and some relocation allowance if you're hired from overseas.
Apparently a formal teaching certificate (PGCE etc) is not required but 2 years teaching experience is required. An ex-colleague of mine interviewed successfully back in July but only got his start date last week - he starts next week. From what he has told me it's teaching Emirati high school students and there were/are lots of positions needed across all high school subject areas. |
Yes, it is Emirati HS students. The goal is to eliminate the departments in higher ed called Foundations/Academic Bridge and get students to specified level of English and Maths in high school rather than paying for the existing programmes which are costly. A wise move that really should have happened years ago, as these remedial programmes were always covering the greater issue: poor k-12 education. At 21,000/month (252,000/year), this is FAR cheaper than the existing payouts for Foundations and ABP teachers, who can cost the government up to 500,000/year once you factor in schooling, airfare, family accommodation, etc. |
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veiledsentiments
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It is an extremely bad sign if they are starting to take those without a teaching certificate (a CELTA is not enough) and only a couple years experience. These students are a handful... in fact often a nightmare. One needs both extensive classroom management skills and experience, but a knowledge of the cultural issues that will occur.
Success in these jobs is directly related to the teachers' experience and training. Those with just a BA in whatever and a CELTA plus a couple years in language schools somewhere will be running for the airport in a couple weeks.
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Grendal
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Location: Lurking in the depths of the Faisaliah Tower underground parking.
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
It is an extremely bad sign if they are starting to take those without a teaching certificate (a CELTA is not enough) and only a couple years experience. These students are a handful... in fact often a nightmare. One needs both extensive classroom management skills and experience, but a knowledge of the cultural issues that will occur.
Success in these jobs is directly related to the teachers' experience and training. Those with just a BA in whatever and a CELTA plus a couple years in language schools somewhere will be running for the airport in a couple weeks.
VS |
Well I know I wont VS. This is my last gig if I get the face to face interviewer to believe my scheme. 8 years in Saudi plus two years in other countries may be good enough for me with a BA in Eng Lit and two, not one, ELT certificates. http://www.glendon.yorku.ca/english-studies/dteil/ plus a tesl for Canada only. I am guy in black shirt front row 
I will be walking to the airport...
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canadianUAE
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Airfare |
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| Hello canadianUAE...Are you saying that the $5700 includes the allowance for airfare? |
??? It's 21k a month. You must pay your housing, plus AC costs, plus electric costs, plus car, plus flights to wherever if you should choose to go in summer. They do not provide yearly flights, They pay your way over and one way ticket back when you're finished with them. |
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canadianUAE
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
It is an extremely bad sign if they are starting to take those without a teaching certificate (a CELTA is not enough) and only a couple years experience. These students are a handful... in fact often a nightmare. One needs both extensive classroom management skills and experience, but a knowledge of the cultural issues that will occur.
Success in these jobs is directly related to the teachers' experience and training. Those with just a BA in whatever and a CELTA plus a couple years in language schools somewhere will be running for the airport in a couple weeks.
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VS...whether one has a BA, MA, Ph'd in psychology! No one is prepared for what will come their way! lol |
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veiledsentiments
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So true... perhaps those with a few year teaching in some of the inner city schools in the rougher neighborhoods around the world.
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