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XiaoWren



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:10 pm    Post subject: Tax Reply with quote

So my first university paid my flight and travel allowance in cash thereby avoiding tax me. This year my new university paid these allowances through my bank account with my salary and they were taxed.

I raised this with the finance department, but they are not moving on it.

I understood that in general allowances and expenses are not taxable (in most countries).

Any ideas or info on this? Thanks
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think 'General allowances' and 'expenses' can be lumped together. Refunding an expense should not be taxable as all that is happening is that you attended to an item that the employer would normally pay for. Usually you would have a receipt.
General allowances would normally be regarded as taxable income.
That's why I've been concerned to see airfares devolve over the years from a refund to an allowance. Clearly exposing them to tax.
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XiaoWren



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm using the terms 'allowance' and 'expense' imprecisely and incorrectly.

But anyway the finance dept said 'there is no real ticket' (I had not flown anywhere), whereas there was a ticket in the first example - although I don't recall producing it.

Ditto the travel allowance. I didn't produce any receipts in either case but wasn't taxed in the first example.
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getbehindthemule



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know my airfare allowance is tax free as long as I can produce e-ticket and boarding pass. If I cannot, it is taxed at 20%, which kind of sucks!
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

getbehindthemule wrote:
I know my airfare allowance is tax free as long as I can produce e-ticket and boarding pass. If I cannot, it is taxed at 20%, which kind of sucks!


Have you tried getting a refund without a receipt at home.
Why does ordinary legit business practice in China attract such puzzlement, when you would comply without question in your home country?
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Alien abductee



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

getbehindthemule wrote:
I know my airfare allowance is tax free as long as I can produce e-ticket and boarding pass. If I cannot, it is taxed at 20%, which kind of sucks!

The whole purpose of your airfare allowance is to buy and use an air ticket. If you don't use the money for that purpose why shouldn't it be taxed? Sound business practice in my opinion.
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lionheartuk



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see any problem with being taxed on something that is given freely
I get airfare and am taxed on it but I am happy to be given something for nothing especially when I am not going anywhere by air.
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XiaoWren



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

getbehindthemule wrote:
I know my airfare allowance is tax free as long as I can produce e-ticket and boarding pass. If I cannot, it is taxed at 20%, which kind of sucks!


Yes, I think we are confusing 'allowances' and 'expenses' and also the flight ticket and the travel allowance.

For tax authorities these categories have precise meanings.

I think an expense (i.e. flight ticket or hotel cost incurred in the course of your duties) is fully refundable and not taxable. So that where there is 'no real ticket' the payment will become like taxable income.

Allowances are always taxable, I think, as an addition to your salary (like getting luncheon vouchers for example). I'm not sure what the travel allowance in my contract is actually intended for - travel to work or some trip around China....? But it is anyway 'income'. Nervertheless, it was taxed on one occasion but not another.

Anyway, I agree, more tax, always sucks.
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getbehindthemule



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
getbehindthemule