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LarssonCrew
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:40 am Post subject: |
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I'd also make a point if I may that many of the students are studying IELTS or TOEFL to go abroad. A huge majority, either for high school or university.
I therefore find improving their overall English through a foreign teachers class who knows what he or she is doing will also benefit their overall English. Listening to everyday English spoken [not the IELTS listening section, for instance] will enable them to have a better time when studying abroad.
This is a huge factor I would always point out to parents who complained that the Chinese teacher basically just ran the CD for the IELTS listening or reading part and sat and drank tea at the front. |
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jimpellow
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'd also make a point if I may that many of the students are studying IELTS or TOEFL to go abroad. A huge majority, either for high school or university.
I therefore find improving their overall English through a foreign teachers class who knows what he or she is doing will also benefit their overall English. Listening to everyday English spoken [not the IELTS listening section, for instance] will enable them to have a better time when studying abroad.
This is a huge factor I would always point out to parents who complained that the Chinese teacher basically just ran the CD for the IELTS listening or reading part and sat and drank tea at the front. |
Good points. You did forget that the Chinese teachers are also good for assigning ten hours of homework a night from the Chinglish IELTS textbook, and sipping their tea with self-satisfaction over the power they hold over the students. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Point of information guys.
If you were doing private IELTS prep would you expect students to improve their official score?
Or is that impractical or too expensive?
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jimpellow
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Point of information guys.
If you were doing private IELTS prep would you expect students to improve their official score?
Or is that impractical or too expensive?
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Personally, I think it depends on the factors that are holding back their scores along with the desire of the student. If it is a low scoring student who writes with no structure, for example, their score can jump up quickly by just eliminating that bottleneck. With my current Gulf IELTS writing students, I have some students jump up 1 to 2 bands in the first month (usually the women and certainly not repeated in subsequent months). Most of the men make no effort between assignments and will be stuck at 3s until Allah makes it happen for them.
My experience in China was the students would put in the effort, but not by wanting to improve their English, but rather by finding cheats and tricks to up their scores. |
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LarssonCrew
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Jim.
Just explaining a basic template that they can apply to writing, for instance, or even telling them to remember to use past present and future tense in a spoken answer, can bump them.
It's crazy that the writing ends up nothing like a university would expect, but as long as the first sentence explains what the paragraph will be about etc. then their score will improve
I generally say for a person level 6 or above you're looking at 6 months to go up half a point, and that's what I generally found. |
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Non Sequitur
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks.
You don't 'market' your IELTS prep by guaranteeing a one point improvement? |
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LarssonCrew
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:43 am Post subject: |
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No, I don't like to do that.
Generally I have a pretty good rep, and the parents know I turn up on time, their kids enjoy the classes and I wil often stay for coffee or dinner if they invite me, they'll often ask me about travel and tips and advice on applying and what's going to happen when their kid goes abroad.
I also insist on ten hours up front. I had a couple of flakes, one kid who found it just way too hard [he was probably a level 2 no joke], and gave up after 4 classes and I pocketed the rest.
Most students probably repay 4 or 5 sets of 10 classes, so normally 3 months or so, possibly more because many take it once then the second time. Normally after they've secured their score they'll use the remaining classes to free talk and generally chat over what's going down when they arrive in the UK or USA. |
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Non Sequitur
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like a happy win-win LC.
I assume you have been an IELTS examiner? |
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LarssonCrew
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Nope. I am fortunate that I work at an international school so even if my students don't need it, alot of their rich friends who attend other international schools need help too.
I found one student studying a level Law and cleaned him out for 500 plus an hour.
I basically am lucky that referring parents lay out the amount I expect to parents, and I have a goodish reputation. |
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jimpellow
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Thanks.
You don't 'market' your IELTS prep by guaranteeing a one point improvement? |
Guaranteeing anything where success is ultimately dependent on the client will not only bring a Yangtze river of frustration down upon the guarantor, but success rates will actually decline as clients are not truly vested in the process.
Back in my hypnotist era, I learned to turn this around on a potential client when he asked it up front. "I do have a guarantee. I guarantee that if you not 100% read | |