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peripatetic_soul
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 Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:16 pm Post subject: Salary Range |
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Dano,
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| b]Hope you get your money back one day .. It sounds very stressful and complicated [/b] |
Thank you. That was 4 years ago and fortunately, wasn't much money, but a frustrating experience, i.e., even though I presented the original statement reflecting the deposit, the manager refused to honor it. You have to wonder where those "deposits" go! In any case, this pales in comparison with the hefty fees that dragonpiwo listed above.
Wish you luck in landing a lucrative position with provided housing.
Regards, PS
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Dano1983
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: salary range |
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| peripatetic_soul wrote: |
Dear Dano1983,
AC deposit?? What is that ?
This is based on HCT. Depending on where you live, there are "deposits" for water/sewage, cable, and the electric company. I use quotation marks because I never got my water/sewage deposit reimbursed. Deposit was a misnomer.
BTW, most complexes do not have central A-C as you may be accustomed to back home. There are individual units in each room which invariably broke down every month due to substandard quality.
Per previous posters, with the new housing (on your own) provisions, many landlords require payment up front for the entire year, and some instructors have reported having to shell out rental agent finder's fees (i.e., many landlords do not live locally and/or do not speak English so you will need assistance). One must also furnish the flat/villa with appliances, furniture, etc.
Sorry to say the golden days have met their demise.
Regards,
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Thank you and thank you to everyone here ..your feedback helps a lot |
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dragonpiwo
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:34 pm Post subject: erm |
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Thing about the UAE offers is that they look a lot until you live here. The rental market in AD is just 1 endless squeeze. The law really 'helps' the landlords. 12 months paid up front, contracts automatically renewed if you don't say you are not renewing 60 days before lease end, endless rent hikes capped at 5% now but there are other hidden costs.
The glory days are over. Most of the teachers I've met are from South Africa, Ireland and America and they are young, no kids and here for a year or 2.
It's over for 1 earner couples with kids. |
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Dano1983
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:18 am Post subject: Re: erm |
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| dragonpiwo wrote: |
Thing about the UAE offers is that they look a lot until you live here. The rental market in AD is just 1 endless squeeze. The law really 'helps' the landlords. 12 months paid up front, contracts automatically renewed if you don't say you are not renewing 60 days before lease end, endless rent hikes capped at 5% now but there are other hidden costs.
The glory days are over. Most of the teachers I've met are from South Africa, Ireland and America and they are young, no kids and here for a year or 2.
It's over for 1 earner couples with kids. |
I might understand why landlords ask for 12 month rent upfront, but what I struggle to understand is how do they expect an expat to come up with all these thousands? Why would I leave my country and family to be in very risky situation 
If they want good teachers, they should provide good contracts |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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What I struggle to understand is how do they expect an expat to come up with all these thousands? Why would I leave my country and family to be in very risky situation
If they want good teachers, they should provide good contracts |
You apparently haven't heard of Emiratisation -- qualified nationals generally get preference over foreign job applicants. Other GCC countries have similar hiring policies.
You could certainly try to negotiate for accommodation to be covered by the employer. Otherwise, stick to those jobs that indicate housing is provided, especially if you're the sole earner for your family. Problem solved. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: erm |
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| Dano1983 wrote: |
I might understand why landlords ask for 12 month rent upfront, but what I struggle to understand is how do they expect an expat to come up with all these thousands? Why would I leave my country and family to be in very risky situation
If they want good teachers, they should provide good contracts |
You must be new to the modern Middle East... our definition of a "good teacher" differs from theirs. Theirs is someone who will keep their mouth shut while accepting any level of abuse... for less pay than was being paid 20+ years ago... and no longer provided with free tolerably furnished housing and other benefits.
As imported labor, we can accept the deteriorating conditions or move on to some other part of the world. Right now there are only a handful of employers that I would even consider in the total Gulf area.
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dragonpiwo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:06 am Post subject: erm |
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I don't necessarily agree with VS about that. People who succeed here often know how to work with the locals and concentrate on what is possible rather than what is theoretically correct according to some educational theories.
In the time I've been here, I've completely redsigned the company's English programme and focus (more technical) and it's been a huge step forward.
In the UAE, the locals do listen to people who really know what they are doing.
My salary is about $100k and I could live on the camp for free if I chose. The money's not all bad.
Lay offs are a different issue though. Many things are taken into consideration and I'm sure wasta plays a part sometimes.
The Emiratis I've worked with have been very nice.
Our job is to make it work for them in this context. Of course, there are many teachers here who just criticize everything, including their colleagues and quite frankly, they're a pain in the ass.
The teaching's 'different' that's for sure but you have to know how to handle these guys and that only comes with years of experience. And, it's worth remembering that, while it's ideal to like one's life, we are mostly here for the money 
But don't get me started on the rents....
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nomad soul
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| The teaching's 'different' that's for sure but you have to know how to handle these guys and that only comes with years of experience. |
Keep in mind the OP is a PhD holder in a field unrelated to EFL. His target students are in a degree program. |
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veiledsentiments
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Dragon is right, of course, but the fact is that only about 1% of the education jobs in the Gulf are like his... and few applicants have his specific related skills and experience.
PhD's still have to deal with the different expectations of Gulf students, although they have more ability to demand more from them than TEFLers do.  Depending on the institution...
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Dano1983
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:38 am Post subject: |
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I agree with all said here and dragon is 100% right.. it takes one to know how to deal with locals and understand how to do things their ways but without compromise ones values .. I was just thinking "If it was me" kind of situation .. I still to hear back from them, I will sure negotiate accommodation (don't feel positive though  ) .. will let you know how it went and final package ..  |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Salary range |
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| Dano1983 wrote: |
Hello everyone
I know it might have been discussed before but I just want a clear cut figure as possible 
Is 20-26k a month (includes housing and flights) sounds like an acceptable range for an assistant professor ? I have feeling this actually should be the base (excluding housing and flights) L
Am I right?
What is the reasonable/acceptable offer for assistant professor with experience in ME?
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It depends where since this is all in. In AD/Dubai, I would aim a fair bit higher, closer to the 35k mark, especially if you teach outside the humanities and since you have ME experience and (presumably) have a western PhD. If in a cheaper part of country, like Al Ain, maybe 30k could be an acceptable package since accommodation is much less. |
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dragonpiwo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject: yup |
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| PhD and a family-yup, you gotta go for more. In AD, 26 wouldn't be enough with a family because you'd need a bigger flat and have school to pay for. No kids, you'd be OK. |
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canadianUAE
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| Dano1983 wrote: |
| I agree with all said here and dragon is 100% right.. it takes one to know how to deal with locals and understand how to do things their ways but without compromise ones values .. I was just thinking "If it was me" kind of situation .. I still to hear back from them, I will sure negotiate accommodation (don't feel positive though ) .. will let you know how it went and final package .. |
it's not the locals who are the problem. it's unqualified Brits who were able to talk their way into high paying jobs. Brits with few qualifications, but are very good at being bullies. They've been hired to run certain programs. They're on huge salaries, do little of the work, and treat teachers horribly. |
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dragonpiwo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:55 pm Post subject: erm |
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I'm just a teacher. You must have an axe to grind.
Gulf bosses are notoriously self-preserving whatever their nationality. |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:27 am Post subject: Re: erm |
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| dragonpiwo wrote: |
| Gulf bosses are notoriously self-preserving whatever their nationality. |
True indeed. The TELFer is of very little concern, other than a body in the classroom. |
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