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nomad soul

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Badmojo wrote: |
Can someone walk me through the degree authentication/verification part of the procedure? |
The process depends on your nationality. |
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Badmojo

Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 89
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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nomad soul wrote: |
Badmojo wrote: |
Can someone walk me through the degree authentication/verification part of the procedure? |
The process depends on your nationality. |
Do you know what the process is for a Canadian? The Chinese embassy in Toronto doesn't like to pick up their phone. |
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jaybet3
Joined: 15 Dec 2010 Posts: 140 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Badmojo,
Here is the info I received from the service I am using to "authenticate" my diploma from a University in the USA. FYI: I've blocked out some of the personal info.
Yes, we can have your University of XXXXXX degree authenticated.
The procedure to legalize documents is as follows:
1) Document is sent to (Service Company) in Washington, DC (Note, China attests scanned or original copies) Please advise.
2) Document is authenticated before a public notary in Washington, DC (WDC);
3) WDC –District of Columbia Office of Authentication certifies the document;
4) U.S. Department of State (USDOS) authenticates the document;
5) Chinese Embassy legalize the document;
6) Document is shipped back to the client.
The turnaround time is estimated at 10 business days (Monday-Friday). It all depends on how much work there is at the embassy. The cost will be US $200 per document. This fee does not include the cost to return the document to the customer.
The company also requested a copy of my passport.
As a citizen of the USA, I feel that if the Chinese Embassy in the USA legalizes my document, then every time I present the degree (ie: Chinese Embassy in Indonesia and again in China), then there should be no question regarding the authenticity of my document.
In my experience living in SE Asia, most government employees (and people in general) are afraid of making a decision which could lead to a mistake. That's why these processes are so paper intensive. Every layer of the process needs a "chop" (approval) so the next person in the chain feels comfortable.
So, a chop from the Chinese Embassy in Washington should make everyone else involved in the process feel comfortable.
FYI: I"m doing this all by international courier from my home in Indonesia so there's no need to go to the USA. The caveat: I have a resident visa from Indonesia. If I didn't, I'd have to do the entire process from the USA.
Also, I previously mentioned the criminal background check which no one commented on. If you were employed by a company in China, perhaps this is not necessary. I would check with my prospective employer on this mattter.
Hope the info helps. |
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Badmojo

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I was not anticipating such a long and complicated process. |
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nomad soul

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Badmojo wrote: |
I was not anticipating such a long and complicated process. |
I'm American and am not familiar with the process for Canada. However, I suggest you start by contacting your university registrar in Canada. Let them know you need to have your diploma authenticated for employment in China. Registrars are used to providing this routine function for citizens heading abroad and should be able to help you.
Alternately, check out the Global Affairs Canada Authentication of Documents page. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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jaybet3 wrote: |
Here is the info I received from the service I am using to "authenticate" my diploma from a University in the USA. FYI: I've blocked out some of the personal info.
Yes, we can have your University of XXXXXX degree authenticated.
The procedure to legalize documents is as follows:
1) Document is sent to (Service Company) in Washington, DC (Note, China attests scanned or original copies) Please advise.
2) Document is authenticated before a public notary in Washington, DC (WDC);
3) WDC –District of Columbia Office of Authentication certifies the document;
4) U.S. Department of State (USDOS) authenticates the document;
5) Chinese Embassy legalize the document;
6) Document is shipped back to the client.
The turnaround time is estimated at 10 business days (Monday-Friday). It all depends on how much work there is at the embassy. The cost will be US $200 per document. This fee does not include the cost to return the document to the customer. |
You might be doing unnecessary steps. What state or US territory (i.e., US Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, etc.) is your university located in? |
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LarssonCrew
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Just to chime in for a Bir,t the process seems to be:
Get a solicitor to sign that it's a copy, or some sort of notary.
Next, take it to the GCO office [foreign commonwealth office], they then contact yuour university and check it's real. They then apply their own stamp.
Next, take to Chinese embassy who then apply their own stamp.
I think it was, including railfare to London [20 quid a day], about 140 if I did it on my own, I used an agency who cost me 161 GBP.
Without the visit to the Chinese embassy they would have the FCO part done for about 95 quid, so if you live in London it's only 30 quid to get it done at the embassy yourself.
I didn't want the hassle so I geot them to do it. |
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mrpianoman
Joined: 27 Mar 2016 Posts: 171
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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LarssonCrew wrote: |
Next, take it to the GCO office [foreign commonwealth office], they then contact yuour university and check it's real. They then apply their own stamp.
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I don't think they contact the university at all. It's the solicitor's job to verify the degree. One solicitor told me he would need £100 to contact my university registrar so I found a cheaper one for £30 and he just looked at the original, signed a photocopy and stamped it.
I'm pretty sure the FCO just approve the solicitor's signature and check he is a registered solicitor. so this means there are solicitors who will authenticate degrees without contacting the registrar. ANyone with a good quality fake bought online, could get one of these solicitors to sign it as an original. |
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SH_Panda

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 5:52 am Post subject: |
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LarssonCrew wrote: |
Just to chime in for a Bir,t the process seems to be:
Get a solicitor to sign that it's a copy, or some sort of notary.
Next, take it to the GCO office [foreign commonwealth office], they then contact yuour university and check it's real. They then apply their own stamp.
Next, take to Chinese embassy who then apply their own stamp.
I think it was, including railfare to London [20 quid a day], about 140 if I did it on my own, I used an agency who cost me 161 GBP.
Without the visit to the Chinese embassy they would have the FCO part done for about 95 quid, so if you live in London it's only 30 quid to get it done at the embassy yourself.
I didn't want the hassle so I geot them to do it. |
Which agency did you use? I may have to do the same  |
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jaybet3
Joined: 15 Dec 2010 Posts: 140 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Badmojo - It's not long or complicated if you pay someone to do it. Two weeks without the headache is an okay deal with me. Like others said, go somewhere and lay on the beach and let an agent take care of it. If you were living in your home country, then you could do it yourself but you're not and a ticket back home is much more expensive and time consuming than using an agent.
NomadSoul - I live in Indonesia so this is a practical and inexpensive way for me to get peace of mind so when I'm dealing with the bureaucrats in Jakarta and China I will likely not have a problem. |
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jaybet3
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Nomad:
FYI: My university is in Connecticut. |
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mackidrei
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Do you know what the process is for a Canadian? The Chinese embassy in Toronto doesn't like to pick up their phone. |
what i needed to do was first get a notarized copy of my degree, i got it done by a lawyer. next i mailed in my notarized copy to be authenticated:
http://www.international.gc.ca/department-ministere/authentication-authentification_documents.aspx?lang=eng
this service is free, but can take up to 25 business days if mailed.
after this step, you can take it to the chinese embassy to be certified, or have an agency do it for you (that's what i did). |
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AnneSansTete
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:21 am Post subject: |
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jaybet3 wrote: |
So far, no one has mentioned the criminal background check. I am going through this process for the first time and was instructed to get a police report from my country of residence. I hold a resident visa in Indonesia, so I don't have to go back to the USA which saves me tons of money. |
Do they specify what level of gov't the check has to be from? I have a dismissed misdemeanor DUI from 9 years ago that would show up on a state or FBI check.
Would this disqualify me from a Z visa?
TIA,
Anne |
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astrotrain
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Badmojo wrote: |
nomad soul wrote: |
Badmojo wrote: |
Can someone walk me through the degree authentication/verification part of the procedure? |
The process depends on your nationality. |
Do you know what the process is for a Canadian? The Chinese embassy in Toronto doesn't like to pick up their phone. |
What happened in your case, coming from a fellow Canadian. Were you able to get it done and how?
I am actually back in Toronto from China last year. This whole degree notarization process is bewildering.
I am not sure if I should call my University Registrar's office or a notary republic.
I want to get my papers ready maybe for a Sept start but don't want to waste $$s doing unnecessary things. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou

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