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chi-chi-
Joined: 17 Jul 2004
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Location: In la-la land
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Hello Bisca,
Who are you quoting? I don't remember seeing this yet on the thread.
As to what I said, that wasn't mine, that was quoting another user and bringing to light the grammar errors that scream "I may not be who I am actually portraying on the forum".
So no Bisca, that was not actually my opinion, and no I am not a racist. 
Actually I have a sneaking suspicion I may be one of the very few on this thread who isn't.
And as far as 30 years younger than me....how could that be? I am only 24. A strange 24 year old, no less, but only 24.
I don't misquote or contradict myself. I am just being misunderstood (not emotionally but literally what I write is not being understood.)
Thanks
Chi
P.S. Life is too short to hate each other and judge on appearance...have a great day ya'll  |
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AgentMulderUK
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 360
Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:03 pm Post subject: Chi Chi and other animals |
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So, Chi-Chi, after reading your posts, I have decided to waste a tiny percentage of my life to present a little summary of some of your posts on this thread.
I think it makes amusing reading.
Remember, this is the girl who doesn't hurl insults, is not a bigot, who deplores 'stereotyping', is honest and never contradicts herself.
Whilst reading my post, you may come to the conclusion that I have nothing better to do. You are correct.
Am I the kind of guy to hold a grudge, you ask?
Hell, yeah.
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Korea is good for men who are novices at hunting. Japan is good for men who don't know how to hunt. |
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I also want to respond to the quote "all North Americans are fat." Um maybe in Canada. |
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No, not really, I just don't like stereotyping, but have noticed that it's a habit some people fall into.. |
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The bigoted attitudes are learned behaviors from the Japanese men in the pub. These men also would not consider "half", or non-pure bred women. How Korean. |
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All these posts are generalizations. Why does "A" have to be bad for "B" to be good? It takes a certain level of psychological development to get out of that way of thinking. |
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Mulder does attack people. He attacked me for using the word "ya'll", called me dumb, and told me that I could "just go work in a hip-hop shop" somewhere. |
Which, of course, I didn�t. The person who did say it even reminded her.
Bisca then queried the sensibility of her statement :
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| I must defend my own race's superiority.... |
Her reply was
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| Who are you quoting? I don't remember seeing this yet on the thread. |
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Yes I love to read my own posts, as I am one of the very few who is adding intelligence to what would otherwise be trite |
And let's not forget the classic statement:
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| I don't misquote or contradict myself.. |
Hahahahaha 
I have never read such a heap of contradictory, puerile nonsense.
As for your mangling of the English language, don't even get me started.
God help any Japanese people you teach.
And I am being serious in the previous sentence. |
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JohnDoe
Joined: 31 Jul 2004
Posts: 31
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Whoah - I really should pay more attention to these posts. When you pointed out the blatant contradictions, I laughed at them. When I was actually reading them, I had no clue. 
I... Guess i'm not a philologist after all.
Still, it was funny. Thanks, Mulder. |
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chi-chi-
Joined: 17 Jul 2004
Posts: 194
Location: In la-la land
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Chi Chi and other animals |
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So, Chi-Chi, after reading your posts, I have decided to waste a tiny percentage of my life to present a little summary of some of your posts on this thread.
I think it makes amusing reading.
Remember, this is the girl who doesn't hurl insults, is not a bigot, who deplores 'stereotyping', is honest and never contradicts herself.
Whilst reading my post, you may come to the conclusion that I have nothing better to do. You are correct.
Am I the kind of guy to hold a grudge, you ask?
Hell, yeah.
I don't really care if you hold a grudge or not. Nor do I really care if you agree with me or not. I do think that the mod needs to have a glance at your subject heading. I also think that Japan has the most hate-filled expats I have ever had the displeasure of meeting.[b][b]****[/[/b]b] I think the Korean ex-pats (as bad a rep as they get) are more blue-collar and actually have to work for their money. I've had broke ex-pats in Korea loan me what little they had, while people in Japan can watch you starve and not care. I think that rich people have more time to make generalizations and pick other people apart. I don't like spoiled brats, and I don't like people who hang out at bars. I think that people who use each other as trophies or otherwise deserve what they get, and I also think that there is a difference between opinions and stereotyping, with the forum seeing a lot of the latter here as of late. I don't really care if you like me or not. I don't care about making friends with cyber people that I'll never see. I do think that there are many* women-haters and Western-haters on the forum, but I do believe in karma, so ya'll enjoy your day in the sun, while it lasts. Just don't come crying and whining to "America" when you need something, after you put us down.
I have no more time to reason with spoiled children. I'm going to work now, you go back to your bar.
Chi-Chi out
P.S. When I said "I must defend my own race's superiority", it was pretty obvious that I was not stating this myself, but doing a sarcastic impression of some imposters and posers on this forum. If you spell "the" wrong 3 times, you may not be who you say you are.
I could allow myself to stereotype and hate ALL Western people, based on this phenomena I just described with some ex-pats in Japan. And there are many who do. It's an easy habit to allow yourself to hate everyone of a certain "type" after being in a hate-filled environment for a while. I could say that I hate all Western men, after riding on a train with a French one who hadn't bathed (not saying all French are like that, they're not, but I digress.) Anyhow, it would be too easy for me to forget Southern men who wear aftershave. And it would be too easy for me to listen to Canadians who hate me because I'm American and even start to hate my own country, Bush, and country music because I'm supposed to be cool like you, too easy for me to think that all Western people are impolite while forgetting the gentile slow-paced South.
And if I wanted to get really technical, and turn this around, I COULD say that I don't like these Sensitive New Age Guys, most of whom want short women cause they themselves are like 5'6", have no face hair, no chest hair, beat women because they don't hunt and fish and do MASCULINE things to get out the excess testestorone...
But um, no, I don't stereotype so I'm not going to turn it around. Some does not equate to all. even within a given type. And I know you and people like you, who are filled with hate, don't get it and never will, but maybe just maybe there's some folks reading this forum who are about to go in that direction and spit on their fellow foreigner.....and decide not to. Just because they are able to remember some goodness from their own.
You are filled with hate. So I have nothing more to say to you personally. But I am writing for those people who can be reached before they go in that direction, not you, "Agent Uk." |
****For the most part. There are exceptions to this rule. Of course.****
**many not all**[/b] |
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The G-stringed Avenger
Joined: 13 Aug 2004
Posts: 746
Location: Lost in rhyme infinity
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:41 am Post subject: |
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I had a yellow fever vaccination.
I still caught "yellow fever" within a month of arriving in Japan.
What a waste of $50 that injection was! |
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nowled
Joined: 01 Apr 2004
Posts: 6
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:06 pm Post subject:
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Here is "why why why" I date Asian girls:
I am in Asia.
I also do have a bit of yellow fever, but lately I have been getting sick of Asian girls in general and Chinese girls in particular.
They are very ignorant of the world around them. I mean, I can never discuss politcs, current events, or social issues with them without being attacked for "hating China" or "hating Korea"
I think that is a very closed minded statement, because:
I find that most people don't know anything about the world around them, men and women, western and eastern alike. I have lived in New York all my life and I run into maybe about 2 or 3 people a year who know or have any real opinions of current events shaping this world, most just parrot what they hear on "Fox news or "CNN".
And we all know, Asia and America Media, unless you do some serious digging, are void of any real unbiased facts, they just dish a lot of mis-information and propaganda junk.
It's rare to meet male or female who even understands politics or social issues. I will say this I find that eastern women are more willing to keep their mouth about things they don't understand (which I find refreshing). I have found on occassion with some women, (western or eastern) who started in on "I hate their country routine" it was only in defense to them feeling inferior because I was talking about something they didn't understand.
I think there is a stereotype that western women are somehow intellectually superior to eastern women, which they are not. They are more arrogant and vocal in voicing their ignorance, but I find their knowledge not any more in-depth than anyone else.
All in all I learned that all people are decent and a little ignorant --man, women, eastern, or western. Don't hold that against anyone just enjoy yourself and keep the conversations light. If you want to have an intellectual conversation, join a political or activist organization.[/quote] |
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nowled
Joined: 01 Apr 2004
Posts: 6
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
Here is "why why why" I date Asian girls:
I am in Asia.
I also do have a bit of yellow fever, but lately I have been getting sick of Asian girls in general and Chinese girls in particular.
They are very ignorant of the world around them. I mean, I can never discuss politcs, current events, or social issues with them without being attacked for "hating China" or "hating Korea" or wherever.
I think that is a very closed minded statement, because:
I find that most people don't know anything about the world around them, men and women, western and eastern alike. I have lived in New York all my life and I run into maybe about 2 or 3 people a year who know or have any real opinions of current events shaping this world, most just parrot what they hear on "Fox news or "CNN".
And we all know, Asia and America Media, unless you do some serious digging, are void of any real unbiased facts, they just dish a lot of mis-information and propaganda junk.
It's rare to meet male or female who even understands politics or social issues. I will say this I find that eastern women are more willing to keep their mouth about things they don't understand (which I find refreshing). I have found on occassion with some women, (western or eastern) who started in on "I hate their country routine" it was only in defense to them feeling inferior because I was talking about something they didn't understand.
I think there is a stereotype that western women are somehow intellectually superior to eastern women, which they are not. They are more arrogant and vocal in voicing their ignorance, but I find their knowledge not any more in-depth than anyone else.
All in all I learned that all people are decent and a little ignorant --man, women, eastern, or western. Don't hold that against anyone just enjoy yourself and keep the conversations light. If you want to have an intellectual conversation, join a political or activist organization. |
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liehtzu
Joined: 26 Feb 2003
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Location: North Thailand
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Capergirl
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Posts: 1232
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just a thought... (and the nerve to post it comes courtesy of a few chu-hais). At the risk of offending all of the Western men out there who prefer Asian gals and believe those negative stereotypes of us Western girls...
If you're burned out on dating the gals back home, maybe the problem is not with them/us; rather, maybe the problem is with your attitude. If you approach a potential dating situation with the belief that all Western gals are (whatever... loud, fat, arrogant, materialistic, etc.), then maybe, just maybe, some of your beliefs ooze out and you end up turning off the really nice, down to earth, attractive, feminine yet free-willed, etc., etc. gals out there and end up with the ones who fit your stereotype. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you will.
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Well-said, Denise! I think you just may be on to something here. I've been reading these posts and shaking my head at the continued perpetuation of the same old tired stereotypes.
Remember guys: When you point a finger at someone else, there are three fingers pointing right back at you!
Denise: If we ever cross paths, we must 'do lunch'.  |
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AgentMulderUK
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 360
Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Well-said, Denise! I think you just may be on to something here. I've been reading these posts and shaking my head at the continued perpetuation of the same old tired stereotypes.
Remember guys: When you point a finger at someone else,
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These 'tired' stereotypes exist because they hold some degree of truth in a larger than expected number of cases. They are therefore useful when faced with the unknown as they have some chance of being at least slightly accurate, in the absence of any accurate information.
They are 'old' because such stereotypes have stood the test of time for a long time and have found to be useful by many people. If not they would have been rejected and fallen into disuse years ago.
Nobody here is suggesting, even for a second, such stereotypes apply to all member of a race,etc. That is utterly ridiculous. It is also utterly ridiculous to question the value of very old social groupings/habits/patterns (stereotypes) that have been been built up and modified over centuries.
If you follow it to it's logical extreme you arrive at the fact that talking about any kind of cultural trait is 'stereotyping'.....and WE ALL do that. We have to.
So, it's all very well to say that everyone is an individual. But we are all shaped by our culture and therefore share many common traits in many cases.
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As for 'guys pointing a finger '
It's perfectly legitimate for a guy to say that he loves certain things when he finds them in an Asian girl;be it a nice body, personality or whatever.
If it's a comment about their bodies, it does not follow we only think of them as objects, which many western girls have assumed here.
None of this shoud be found to be offensive to western gals. If it is, well......do I really have to spell it out?
This whole thread never had any finger pointing at western women- it was guys saying what they admire about Asian women. I would have thought would be seen as something rather positive - the willingness of many of men to go beyond our normal social grouping and make bonds with other people. It shows that 'these kind of guys' are actually very open-minded and not straightjacketed like the less adventurous who claim to be understanding & caring to all peoples....
It was the objectionable responses by some (IMO) paronoid and over-defensive western women that sparked the usual male/female debate.
The Western woman clearly felt the need to reassert herself....yes..a very stereotypical western female reaction .....
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denise
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: finally home-ish
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Agent Mulder--
I would like to believe that none of the positive traits about Asian women have been at the expense of Western women, but the first time a comparison was made (Asian women are more loyal/feminine/etc.), we were dragged into the discussion.
There is a BIG difference between saying "Asian women are feminine," and "Asian women are more feminine than Western women." The second one (and similar comments HAVE been made on this thread, although after 12 pages I'm not able to quote any) really seems like a deliberate attempt to elevate one group over another, either with the intention of causing offense or without having given consideration to the potential offense that it could cause.
Capergirl--sounds nice! If ever you're out in the boonies in Japan, I know a great little Indian restaurant!
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blue jay
Joined: 03 Aug 2004
Posts: 119
Location: Vancouver, formerly Osaka, Japan
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:39 pm Post subject: Asian Women/Western Men..a healthy discussion.. |
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Don't flame me for this but there seems to be a lot of bitterness from western women in Asian countries about these relationships. Jealousy perhaps?
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I think this is how it all got started from the very first message written. (these relationships meaning western men & asian women)
So I think it is valid that western women responded with the posts they wrote. It was all there from the get-go. |
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blue jay
Joined: 03 Aug 2004
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Location: Vancouver, formerly Osaka, Japan
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| So with an eye to these two markets, what are your general comments on the relationship between western men and Asian women? In particular are western women - the archetypal 'Angry White Chicks' - really that upset about the whole thing? |
Another possible reason so many western women responded to this post.
I guess the OP was trying to provoke a reaction from western women with his comments. |
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AgentMulderUK
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 360
Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Agent Mulder--
There is a BIG difference between saying "Asian women are feminine," and "Asian women are more feminine than Western women." The second one (and similar comments HAVE been made on this thread, although after 12 pages I'm not able to quote any) really seems like a deliberate attempt to elevate one group over another, either with the intention of causing offense or without having given consideration to the potential offense that it could cause.
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Yes,I agree there is a big difference, but both statments are many peoples' opinions and therefore equally valid. There is still no reason for western ladies to start kicking up over it.
As for someone wanting to deliberately causing offense,etc. Who, on this forum, would want to do that? Its just a small forum in the back-of-beyond, nobody has anything to gain or lose. It's not going to help you run for president or anything.
If men cannot state their preferences or opinions then it's become a very sad world. I was also always interested in western girls' opinions of asian girls. That is being open-minded. Can you say the same?]
If you girls want to stop being labelled as 'Angry White Chicks' then stop behaving like one. Or else you just perpetuate SOME mens' beliefs on forums like this. |
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chi-chi-
Joined: 17 Jul 2004
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Location: In la-la land
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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As far as I'm concerned, native Japanese girls seem pretty cool. I would rather hang out with them that the average Western male ex-pat actually. Japanese understand my love of Pooh and generally don't badger me to get drunk all the time. I like the sense of fashion better and how even though they are conformist (as are Western people actually) they (and I) pretty much wear whatever they want.
Actually if it weren't for the South, I probably wouldn't be Western at all. People aren't always fitting the stereotypes of where they are from. I met many women in Korea who honestly deserved to be in a better country, they were in Korea but not of it. Same goes for anywhere else. You can't judge a person by the color of their skin, or where they are from. There will always be someone to prove you wrong. That's all I am trying to say. |
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