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nimadecaomei



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Class monitors do not work for the teachers, it is not a difficult thing to figure out. They are appointed by the CCP section of the university. They are often not useful in even doing what is expected (I have seen some great ones, but many disappoint). If you want to have a leader in the class who will help, you need to dig deeper.
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ChrisHenry15



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nimadecaomei wrote:
Class monitors do not work for the teachers, it is not a difficult thing to figure out. They are appointed by the CCP section of the university. They are often not useful in even doing what is expected (I have seen some great ones, but many disappoint). If you want to have a leader in the class who will help, you need to dig deeper.


They are supposed to help with attendance, printing, and other class related duties. Granted, YMMV.
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Foo_Fighters_Dave



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't you come to this job on a business visa and transfer it to a Z in Hong Kong? I think I remember you posting this.

What was the conflict about?
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Mixal



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote:
Mixal wrote:
What about those fees if you cancel a contract before it expires? Very Happy I've seen them in most uni contracts.


Those clauses are in every public college and university contract I've ever read or signed. They're probably in every other schools' contract as well.


Yeah, but I was wondering what happens in practice. Since the OP has taught for some 6 months, I don't know when her contract is finishing... I think the general census is that it's very difficult to change employers in the middle of a contract nowadays.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that 'changing employers' is a euphemism for 'breaking the contract' I would imagine there are likely penalties.
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
Given that 'changing employers' is a euphemism for 'breaking the contract' I would imagine there are likely penalties.


I have only two first hand observations about FTs who wanted to get out of their public university contracts. (I'm not one of them). It was a win-win situation for both sides. In both cases the school was more than glad to see the FT leave and wanted the teacher to leave ASAP. Sorting out penalties would have just prolonged the teachers' stay.
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MsHoffman



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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no interest in leaving my contract early and overall I'm very happy here.

The conflict had nothing to do with immigration stuff. Yes I converted from an "L" tourist visa and that went fine, I posted the whole thing here, etc.

The short version of the conflict story is that the FAO really really screwed me, the result of which was I was homeless for awhile when I had first arrived here and knew no one.

Getting this conflict resolved took a lot of work on my part, and it was so time consuming that it affected my teaching work, which really pissed me off. Anyway, the conflict is resolved now so yes I hope people have put this behind them and that the renewal won't be a problem. I'm in a nice rhythm here with social life and work so I'd like to continue in this position.

Also I received my Departmental Evaluation (the department chair comes and observes your entire class + then writes a report), a week ago and I got a very high score, with comments like "very organized" and "serious instructor", so I hope that helps as well Smile
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote:
Non Sequitur wrote:
Given that 'changing employers' is a euphemism for 'breaking the contract' I would imagine there are likely penalties.


I have only two first hand observations about FTs who wanted to get out of their public university contracts. (I'm not one of them). It was a win-win situation for both sides. In both cases the school was more than glad to see the FT leave and wanted the teacher to leave ASAP. Sorting out penalties would have just prolonged the teachers' stay.


I think that's a dismissal.
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MsHoffman



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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, it's funny, even though many more experienced people on here say my contract won't get renewed somehow I still think there's a 50-50 shot.

I should know for sure one way or the other by May 19. I'll let you all know what happens.

In the mean time, I will continue to play it safe and look for other positions.
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ChrisHenry15



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The writing is on the wall.
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MsHoffman



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the renewal offer from the FAO today. I got a raise and a nice note saying that he hopes I will re-sign for next year.

So what follows are the thoughts of a FT finishing her first year in China. Take them with whatever grains of salt you deem necessary:

Choose your battles wisely, which means you should adapt and be grateful/patient/flexible in dealing with 99 percent of the problems you will encounter here. (okay good advice for any country really)

That said, when you encounter your "brick wall" - your dealbreaker - don't back down. Be a mature adult about the problem, but stand your ground firmly until you get what you want.

I also want to add that the entire time I was dealing with this conflict, I never allowed it to affect my teaching, and I never once said something like, "If this problem continues, I can't guarantee that I'll show up to work on time."

I always showed up on time and worked hard no matter what. Never canceled or rescheduled a class. It was honestly easy to keep the FAO conflict and my teaching separate, so that was a plus.

Also to all of you who said I wouldn't get renewed - if you want to know the saga of the FAO conflict, where I *definitely* made him lose face, pm me for the details.
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getbehindthemule



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MsHoffman wrote:
I got the renewal offer from the FAO today. I got a raise and a nice note saying that he hopes I will re-sign for next year.

So what follows are the thoughts of a FT finishing her first year in China. Take them with whatever grains of salt you deem necessary:

Choose your battles wisely, which means you should adapt and be grateful/patient/flexible in dealing with 99 percent of the problems you will encounter here. (okay good advice for any country really)

That said, when you encounter your "brick wall" - your dealbreaker - don't back down. Be a mature adult about the problem, but stand your ground firmly until you get what you want.

I also want to add that the entire time I was dealing with this conflict, I never allowed it to affect my teaching, and I never once said something like, "If this problem continues, I can't guarantee that I'll show up to work on time."

I always showed up on time and worked hard no matter what. Never canceled or rescheduled a class. It was honestly easy to keep the FAO conflict and my teaching separate, so that was a plus.

Also to all of you who said I wouldn't get renewed - if you want to know the saga of the FAO conflict, where I *definitely* made him lose face, pm me for the details.



Fair play and well done on your small win in China Wink
I'm interested to know your 'dealbreaker' but don't want to know the saga (that's your business). I responed because I totally agree with what you talked about: choosing your battles wisely, being patient and adapting.
I know of two teachers whose downfalls were in picking the wrong battles (actually quite stupid stuff altogether) at the wrong time.
Ps. I just signed up for another year this week myself. Here's to another year of madness. GL!
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ChrisHenry15



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoy yourself.
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Jmbf



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MsHoffman wrote:
I got the renewal offer from the FAO today. I got a raise and a nice note saying that he hopes I will re-sign for next year.


Good stuff! While reading through this thread earlier I was somewhat disappointed with the negative tone taken by some posters but I refrained from commenting. Now I'm pleased that you proved the naysayers wrong. Goes to show that whatever advice you find online you have to take with a grain of salt.

However, I was hoping you could clarify one thing. In one post you mention:

MsHoffman wrote:
Getting this conflict resolved took a lot of work on my part, and it was so time consuming that it affected my teaching work, which really pissed me off.


But in your most recent post you say:

MsHoffman wrote:
I also want to add that the entire time I was dealing with this conflict, I never allowed it to affect my teaching


So I'm just wondering if you could clarify what happened?
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MsHoffman



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I can see where those two things are confusing.

I love teaching and when I first started out I did it for free. So any little disruption gets me super cranky. In the case of how this FAO conflict, I was meeting a couple times a month with some of the Chinese English teachers here to share methods, etc. All of the teachers here are very busy so scheduling these meetings usually took 1-2 weeks notice, which is fine except when I had to cancel many of them at the last minute because of this FAO conflict.

So did it affect my students and my day to day teaching? No. Did it keep me from these meetings? Yes. I think what made it more frustrating is I would tell the FAO, "I have a teachers' meeting, can we do this [conflict] another time?" And the answer was always, "No, we must do this now". No regard for me as a professional.

I forgot to mention - (this was all months ago and remember I'm trying not to give a lot of details), - that I have a good Chinese friend here who is local to the community and speaks fluent English. So he was giving me advice to deal with this conflict (although he never spoke to the FAO directly). I followed every bit of his advice and I think that helped a lot.

This could very well be a woman thing - after all China has a lot of sexism - but my Chinese friend told me to always be very vulnerable, kind, and patient, but also firm. Approaching strangers and professional associates with vulnerability is new for me, but honestly I like it. In general I'm learning so much this year Smile
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