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University won't notarize diploma. What to do?
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Edward-SoCal



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:23 am    Post subject: University won't notarize diploma. What to do? Reply with quote

Please, forgive the two questions I've posted in a row. Search wouldn't help on this one.

Here's the situation.

I'm an American living in the Republic of Georgia. Recently was accepted for a university teaching job in Guangzhou, China. Doing paperwork now.

Being away from the States makes things a lot harder. For example, they say I need to get my university diploma authenticated with the Secretary of State, and before I could do that, I would need the university registrar to notarize it. I called them (Cal State LA) and they said they don't perform such a service and that all authentication needs to be processed by the Secretary of State.

July 1 is my deadline to submit all paperwork, and I don't know what to do at this point. And I would still need to get FBI check by then, on top of that.

Seems like a real hell ride.

Did anyone else here have to go through this with such tight deadlines? What did you do?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're right. The university doesn't authenticate diplomas; that's the function of Cali's Secretary of State's office. You need to be clear that you want your diploma notarized by the university.

Rather than getting some random person in the registrar's office by phone, I suggest you email the university registrar directly. Include the assistant registrar as a 'cc' for backup.

In your subject line, state: Request for diploma notarization for employment abroad

In the body of your email, state the following:
    I am required to submit my authenticated diploma to the Chinese consulate for employment purposes. I first need to have my diploma notarized by the university registrar's office. What does the university's notarization process entail, what is the cost, and how long will the process take?

    Thank you,
    Name
    Graduation date:
    Student ID#:
    Email address:
If you're in a time crunch, consider paying a document processing agency in California to handle this process for you. Google California diploma authentication service.
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Edward-SoCal



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
They're right. The university doesn't authenticate diplomas; that's the function of Cali's Secretary of State's office. You need to be clear that you want your diploma notarized by the university.

Rather than getting some random person in the registrar's office by phone, I suggest you email the university registrar directly. Include the assistant registrar as a 'cc' for backup.

In your subject line, state: Request for diploma notarization for employment abroad

In the body of your email, state the following:
    I am required to submit my authenticated diploma to the Chinese consulate for employment purposes. I first need to have my diploma notarized by the university registrar's office. What does the university's notarization process entail, what is the cost, and how long will the process take?

    Thank you,
    Name
    Graduation date:
    Student ID#:
    Email address:
If you're in a time crunch, consider paying a document processing agency in California to handle this process for you. Google California diploma authentication service.
.


Thanks so much for the detailed response! I've already been considering an agency, since time's running short. I got a little concerned because at least two agencies I contacted told me they would only help with the authentication, and not the notarization. In other words, they won't run those errands for me. They need the diploma notarized already when it reaches them.

And now I am told the U.S. Embassy won't do notarization either.

Must be some way out.
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housecat



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would the university need to authenticate it's own document? When having mine apostilled for UAE, I first had it notarized by a notary at my bank, then by the secretary of state.

For China, the secretary of the secretary of state did the initial notarizing.

It's expensive, but not being here, you'll need to hire a document courier service. I don't remember which I used for UAE, but they will do all the running for you.

Here is one: http://www.cxdelivery.com/document_courier.php
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Edward-SoCal



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

housecat wrote:
Why would the university need to authenticate it's own document? When having mine apostilled for UAE, I first had it notarized by a notary at my bank, then by the secretary of state.

For China, the secretary of the secretary of state did the initial notarizing.

It's expensive, but not being here, you'll need to hire a document courier service. I don't remember which I used for UAE, but they will do all the running for you.

Here is one: http://www.cxdelivery.com/document_courier.php


I do understand the university can't authenticate it. I don't need them for that. I need them to notarize the diploma so that the Secretary of State can authenticate it. That much I've learned so far. Also learned that China does not accept Apostille and what they need is authentication by the Sec. of State.

At this point, I'm so nervous I don't even care how much it costs. If there's a service which could run those two errands for me, I'd be thrilled to be able to use it.

I just want to FedEx my diploma and have them both notarize and authenticate it for me and send it back to me before July 1.
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housecat



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it IS an apostille, but you're right that its different. There is a visa letter that they type up when you do the background check, and that is then what the Secretary of state also notarizes. I've just gone and done this process myself.

And I hear the real time expense is once this is all done and sent to China. You should talk to a courier and ask them to have China send the visa on to you, if possible, and not back to the US embassy as per normal. I don't know if they will do that or not, but maybe it's as simple as providing a pre stamped envelope with your current address? It's worth a shot because I've heard that the process in China can take a month by itself. You don't ant to wait to have your passport mailed back to the States and then on to you after.

You should look online for a form from your home state police HQ. You will have to sign it giving permission for them to release your background check information to the courier service or else you'll have to go and get it yourself (I was able to do that because I live close to state police). When you fill out the form, write "visa letter" on the top of the form somewhere. The courier service will know what this is, hopefully, especially if you find one that works with the Chinese embassy.

Good luck to you.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edward-SoCal wrote:
I got a little concerned because at least two agencies I contacted told me they would only help with the authentication, and not the notarization. In other words, they won't run those errands for me. They need the diploma notarized already when it reaches them.
....

If there's a service which could run those two errands for me, I'd be thrilled to be able to use it.

I just want to FedEx my diploma and have them both notarize and authenticate it for me and send it back to me before July 1.

Once you hear from the registrar, FedEx your diploma to the university (if they need your original). However, instead of having the registrar send the notarized diploma back to you, address the return FedEx envelope to the document service agency so that it goes straight to them.
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Edward-SoCal



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

housecat wrote:


And I hear the real time expense is once this is all done and sent to China. You should talk to a courier and ask them to have China send the visa on to you, if possible, and not back to the US embassy as per normal.


What's to be sent to China?

Don't I have to get the documents here in the Republic of Georgia in order to take them to the Chinese Embassy for visa requirements?
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Edward-SoCal



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