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theoriginalprankster
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 Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:16 am Post subject: Translation of degree needed - where? |
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My new school says I need my degree translated into Chinese.
I'm in SH. Where do I get this done (an actual brick and mortar company or online)? And what should I be expecting to pay?
Thanks
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Elicit
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I had to get some documents translated for my spouse to join me here. The most important thing is that the Chinese authorities recognize the translator. Your new employer or more likely the requesting government office should be able to tell you where to go. No sense in paying only to find out the translated document is not fit for purpose.
All these new regulations kind of make me reluctant to move to another employer here when the time comes. |
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theoriginalprankster
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Elicit wrote: |
I had to get some documents translated for my spouse to join me here. The most important thing is that the Chinese authorities recognize the translator. Your new employer or more likely the requesting government office should be able to tell you where to go. No sense in paying only to find out the translated document is not fit for purpose.
All these new regulations kind of make me reluctant to move to another employer here when the time comes. |
Can you please recommend the service you used.
Thanks. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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The same people at the consulate who authenticated my degree translated it.
I believe that translation is part of the authentication process.
In the U.S., if you go elsewhere, be sure that the translator is certified by the ATA. Otherwise, the translation may be rejected. |
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theoriginalprankster
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I had my degree authenticated by my consulate here in Shanghai.
I've found a service that can translate the degree, not sure if it would be accepted for the job. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| theoriginalprankster wrote: |
I had my degree authenticated by my consulate here in Shanghai.
I've found a service that can translate the degree, not sure if it would be accepted for the job. |
Isn't the authentication translated to Hanyu? Who is asking for a translation? There seems to be a new wrinkle to this authentication process every other week. |
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Elicit
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Can you please recommend the service you used.
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We were in a slightly different situation to that of yours whereby we needed to find a translator from another country to be recognized in China. The Chinese embassy helped with this and recommended one.
If you cannot do what Bud says above then approach with extreme caution, because translation services in China may well tell you what you want to hear rather than what's inherently true. Perhaps the bigger the service the more likely it is to be recognized, however, it is also unlikely that this larger service will be the cheapest. In the event no party recommends one to you email the larger services and ask them if they are registered with the appropriate bodies to satisfy government requirements as well as the price.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Best of luck and be sure to let us know the process when you have completed it. |
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theoriginalprankster
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:31 am Post subject: |
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I have found a service that will do it, at a cost of $40/RMB300 for the degree translation.
Need to confirm if the warm bodies at desks in Guangdong will accept this. |
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happeningthang
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Foreign Expert Bureaus now have made new changes that require all documents be authenticated - not just the degree - all documents be translated - and all original documents (including a passport) be handed over before they begin processing for the Z visa.
Beijing started asking for this a few months ago - Jiangsu has just started. Apparently there was a new set of proccedures issued China wide in April, but not everyone has begun implementing them yet.
Those that have introduced them did so retroactively and required appllicants already started on the process to go back and do it again. |
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astrotrain
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| happeningthang wrote: |
Foreign Expert Bureaus now have made new changes that require all documents be authenticated - not just the degree - all documents be translated - and all original documents (including a passport) be handed over before they begin processing for the Z visa.
Beijing started asking for this a few months ago - Jiangsu has just started. Apparently there was a new set of proccedures issued China wide in April, but not everyone has begun implementing them yet.
Those that have introduced them did so retroactively and required appllicants already started on the process to go back and do it again. |
This new school which I signed a contract with have requested I mail all my original documents overseas to them including my passport, authenticated degree and criminal check which I found absurd. Currently residing in Canada so need to do Z visa here. I balked at this request, I am not sending my passport to a company in China I nevered work for, my other confidential original docs, How will I ever get them back if this school is a scam?
I checked with my old school in Guangxi and one in school in Shanghai and they indicated scanned copies of your documents can be fine like before.
What is the truth, are original docs needed for someone overseas or scanned copies can be used like b4? I am totally lost. This new requirements looks like anti foreigner campaign. |
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astrotrain
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
Foreign Expert Bureaus now have made new changes that require all documents be authenticated - not just the degree - all documents be translated - and all original documents (including a passport) be handed over before they begin processing for the Z visa.
Beijing started asking for this a few months ago - Jiangsu has just started. Apparently there was a new set of proccedures issued China wide in April, but not everyone has begun implementing them yet.
Those that have introduced them did so retroactively and required appllicants already started on the process to go back and do it again. |
This new school which I signed a contract with have requested I mail all my original documents overseas to them including my passport, authenticated degree and criminal check which I found absurd. Currently residing in Canada so need to do Z visa here. I balked at this request, I am not sending my passport to a company in China I nevered work for, my other confidential original docs, How will I ever get them back if this school is a scam?
I checked with my old school in Guangxi and one in school in Shanghai and they indicated scanned copies of your documents can be fine like before.
What is the truth, are original docs needed for someone overseas or scanned copies can be used like b4? I am totally lost. This new requirements looks like anti foreigner campaign. |
Bump, anyone doing the visa overseas, is your school requesting you mail your original documents including passport or scanned copies like before, what province you are going to? |
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hz88
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Under no circumstances mail original documents to China, especially your passport.
If your documents have been authenticated as requested, the certification stamps will be sufficient. Initial copies are required as part of the work permit application process. The originals are seen and verified after you arrive.
If you are set on that particular job then politely inform them that it is not necessary to do this. If they won't budge then I would find another job.
I can possibly see that some less than bright recruiter/FAO might ask for the originals of your degree and other certificates, but also asking for your passport is as you say absurd. |
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LarssonCrew
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| Surely even the Chinese government can see that foreigners residing in a different continent are not going to mail their original passport? Has the guy just made this up or was this if you are transferring a residence permit over? |
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astrotrain
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| hz88 wrote: |
Under no circumstances mail original documents to China, especially your passport.
If your documents have been authenticated as requested, the certification stamps will be sufficient. Initial copies are required as part of the work permit application process. The originals are seen and verified after you arrive.
If you are set on that particular job then politely inform them that it is not necessary to do this. If they won't budge then I would find another job.
I can possibly see that some less than bright recruiter/FAO might ask for the originals of your degree and other certificates, but also asking for your passport is as you say absurd. |
Yeah, I did not even respond to them yet when their staff asked for the passport to be mailed over, my jaw dropped.
Thought I did due diligence with this one, talked to a FT who indicated he work there for 4 years but is leaving this year. This city and school is dinky, I think this is the first time they ever tried to process a Z visa for a guy overseas. The international department probably only has 3 teachers if that.
My old school I still keep in contact, they provided a very comprehensive outline of the procedures and new regulations so scanned copies are accepted for the initial online permit which the school sends to you in the mail. When you get to China bring all original documents since they are only verified at that stage.
I am already interviewing with other schools but I already signed a contract with this school, would that contract impede the visa process for any future schools?
I regret giving them scanned copies of my authenticated degree and a copy of criminal check. However my passport I just renewed so they don't have the new one. |
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hz88
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| would that contract impede the visa process for any future schools? |
It depends. The new system is still very new and very different from the previous one. There is one system for the whole of China which is causing issues as it is frequently offline for maintenance, it is clunky and they keep changing it on a whim.
It has three stages to it and each requires a 'pass' at different departments. Until the first passes it, it won't reach the next one. If something is wrong or not accepted an internal message is sent telling the school what needs to be done. It is at the last stage, the status will change to 'decided to pass' and the new work permit card will go in a queue to be printed. Once it has, the card will be visible on screen. Your school will have to send someone to the provincial office to collect it.
If the application they may have made has reached this stage then yes, you will be blocked and can't apply elsewhere until that card is cancelled.
You initially asked about sending original documents, simply don't. For an application where the applicant is outside of China, they are not required. As long as your authentications have the silver authentication sticker on them, they will be accepted. It is after you arrive they will be verified and you will have to hand over your passport etc. If you are in China, then yes, your school will need to collect the original documents from you and hand them in at the time of collecting the card.
The next stage after collecting the card is to get your resident permit. For this, only your passport and some other forms unique to your school are required. You most likely will have to attend the PSB in person. In the past some areas didn't need this but it is becoming more frequent now. |
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