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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 11534
Location: On a Short Leash

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:10 am Post subject:

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Which implies that while newcomers would have no chance at this type of job, experienced teachers might just have a chance. And if experienced teachers would have a chance of securing this type of lucrative job, wouldn't they want to know about it? Thereby you are making the assumption that the majority of people reading this thread are newcomers and therefore don't need to know about it. Otherwise, why mention newcomers at all?

Nomad is correct: newcomer is not the same as newbie.

Last edited by spiral78 on Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:53 am; edited 1 time in total

Jmbf

Joined: 29 Jun 2014
Posts: 663

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:14 am Post subject:

nomad soul wrote:

Plus, instead of passively expecting others to "give you all the info," you should be able take those suggestions and conduct further job research on your own.

Again, I agree. I never said I expected to get a complete and comprehensive picture of any situation from strangers on the internet. By 'give me all the info', I was specifically referring to not intentionally holding things back or pre-filtering what info you think is suitable for me.

nomad soul wrote:

BTW, I interpreted spiral's use of "newcomer" to mean "new to the region" and not someone who's a "newbie" to TEFL.

Either way he is still making assumptions about the readers of this thread, no?

spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 11534
Location: On a Short Leash

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:27 am Post subject:

Nope. Only stating the barriers to entry into a job where I work. Back to the original point, it's useless to ask for information about salaries for numerous reasons, among them situations like mine which exist but which aren't available on the job market.

nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 11454
Location: The real world

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:01 am Post subject:

Jmbf wrote:

By 'give me all the info', I was specifically referring to not intentionally holding things back or pre-filtering what info you think is suitable for me.

Seriously, you're not likely to get a lot of pre-filtered or watered-down info if you're clear about what you're interested in.

and wrote:

nomad soul wrote:

BTW, I interpreted spiral's use of "newcomer" to mean "new to the region" and not someone who's a "newbie" to TEFL.

Either way he is still making assumptions about the readers of this thread, no?

Not really. But then, I'm familiar with spiral's academic creds, extensive experience, and job responsibilities. Keep in mind, some roles require multiple hats, which makes the position specialized as well as specific to a certain region. Plus, as spiral stated, there are no projected openings any time soon. No point in leading readers on about a job that's as rare as a total solar eclipse over the US. Cool

Jmbf

Joined: 29 Jun 2014
Posts: 663

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:45 pm Post subject:

spiral78 wrote:

Back to the original point, it's useless to ask for information about salaries for numerous reasons, among them situations like mine which exist but which aren't available on the job market.

I disagree. Salaries information CAN be useful but that usefulness is directly related to the quality of said information. In threads such as this one, I agree that not much useful information is going to arise. However there are multiple threads in other sub-forums where established posters have provided a wealth of salary information which has been backed up / corroborated by other posters. Some of these threads have been made into stickies so obviously in some cases the mods agree about the usefulness / relevance of such information.

Now, should you take this salary information as holy gospel without checking other sources? No. Should you automatically place a heavy weighting on the quality / correctness of such information? No. But such information can (under the right conditions) form a useful part of your research into current salaries and conditions in specific regions.

spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 11534
Location: On a Short Leash

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:02 pm Post subject:

Deleted. Tired of the silly argument that my personal salary package might be useful information to anyone, when jobs in 'my' institute are not open regardless of quals. Last edited by spiral78 on Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:49 pm; edited 2 times in total

nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 11454
Location: The real world

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:12 pm Post subject:

Jmbf wrote:

However there are multiple threads in other sub-forums where established posters have provided a wealth of salary information which has been backed up / corroborated by other posters. Some of these threads have been made into stickies so obviously in some cases the mods agree about the usefulness / relevance of such information.

Now, should you take this salary information as holy gospel without checking other sources? No. Should you automatically place a heavy weighting on the quality / correctness of such information? No. But such information can (under the right conditions) form a useful part of your research into current salaries and conditions in specific regions.

"Current" is the key word. Of the small number of sticky threads that include discussions about salary, only one or two have recent comments while the others are quite dated. What posters claim to have earned X years ago doesn't reflect today's reality of stagnant/flailing global economies, tightening visa regs, political instability, competition from qualified nationals, etc.

If you're going to take the time to research info on positions you're interested in, it's best to rely on current ads for salary info and the requisite qualifications (i.e., nationality, degree level and major, relevant experience...). Otherwise, apply to see what the employer determines your specific quals are worth.