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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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| thechangling wrote: |
| Chinese 'business culture' if you can call it that, is ruthless and cold hearted and there is no integrity just greed, pressure, stress and and misery. All newbies are guilty of is being naive which we all are when young. Don't shift the blame. |
Shift the blame? hardly. Both parties are to blame. The Newbies for not doing their research and simply trusting it'll be the same as their home country... And I was one of them, when I got shafted by Kid Castle during my first year here. Should have been more aware of the realities of China.
The schools are not to be trusted. They might be wonderful for 3 years, but at some stage, they will screw with you. Sharks in the water always looking for a weakness.
Everyone coming to China should be online reading forums like this one, and learning about the real Chinese culture. It's not something hidden away. The EFL forums are full of stories/reports about being screwed by various employers. |
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The bear
Joined: 16 Aug 2015
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| cormac wrote: |
| thechangling wrote: |
| Chinese 'business culture' if you can call it that, is ruthless and cold hearted and there is no integrity just greed, pressure, stress and and misery. All newbies are guilty of is being naive which we all are when young. Don't shift the blame. |
Shift the blame? hardly. Both parties are to blame. The Newbies for not doing their research and simply trusting it'll be the same as their home country... And I was one of them, when I got shafted by Kid Castle during my first year here. Should have been more aware of the realities of China.
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But that's victim blaming though. It's perfectly possible to be shafted by an employer after having done your research. Additionally, there's only so much research you can do online before coming to the country. |
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RiverMystic
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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I know a Chinese English teacher in Shenyang who earns 5000 a month in her regular school. However, she started her own tutorial centre on the side, teaching ten hours on Saturdays, 2 hours on Tuesdays and 4 hours on Friday evenings. She gets up to 30 kids coming along per class, because they heard she was good. She has no permit to teach outside her regular school, and she has never registered her own “school.” She clears an extra 40 000 a month from her own school, no tax.
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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There's a lot of this goes on.
The cars in our school carpark were not bought on the regular teaching salary.
The latitude given to Chinese staffers may not reflect how the Management view off-campus work by FTs. That said, it shows there's money to be had. |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The bear wrote: |
| But that's victim blaming though. It's perfectly possible to be shafted by an employer after having done your research. Additionally, there's only so much research you can do online before coming to the country. |
Rubbish. It's not a rape case. It's a period of employment in a foreign country with well documented explanations of the various scams, or trouble someone can get into. There are dozens of websites dedicated to ESL alone that tell a cautionary tale with regards to Chinese employers.
But look, we're not going to agree on this. You wish to pass all blame on to the employer, and I don't consider ignorance a reasonable excuse for personal responsibility
Back to the thread topic since we're going well off it now. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:14 am Post subject: |
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At school I worked at 6 teachers got recruited and all had done this research before leaving home countries.
At the first meeting with the boss she advised of new contract terms.
One teacher spoke up and said what about the contract we signed at home?
Boss: 'Oh that was for the purpose of getting you here..'
Just shows that multiple people can be trapped by relying on Chinese contract.
I had worked in China before and even I didn't see that coming.
This was not some mill but a provincial level vocational. |
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The bear
Joined: 16 Aug 2015
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| cormac wrote: |
| The bear wrote: |
| But that's victim blaming though. It's perfectly possible to be shafted by an employer after having done your research. Additionally, there's only so much research you can do online before coming to the country. |
Rubbish. It's not a rape case. It's a period of employment in a foreign country with well documented explanations of the various scams, or trouble someone can get into. There are dozens of websites dedicated to ESL alone that tell a cautionary tale with regards to Chinese employers.
But look, we're not going to agree on this. You wish to pass all blame on to the employer, and I don't consider ignorance a reasonable excuse for personal responsibility
Back to the thread topic since we're going well off it now. |
You're right, we're not going to agree, you think that if someone does their research it's set in stone. But things change.
You can be as cautious as you want, but you can't predict the future. Sure, by doing research you cut down on the chance of being taken advantage of, but it's no guarantee. I'm not advocating blindly getting on a plane and coming to China, far from it. But I'm saying the best-laid plans of mice and men....
Case in point, last year accepted a job in April at a tier 1 university, negotiated a contract where it specifically mentioned 'oral English only', talked to current and past foreign teachers, talked to people in the city about the employer. Transferred my RP/Work Permit (just to stress I wasn't illegal). You get the picture, I did my research.
One week before I was due to arrive in September I got told I was to teach a writing class. Now, that's not a big thing to me and the employer and I worked out a compromise, you've gotta pick your battles. But what if the employer had said 'the pay is 1,000 yuan less', or withheld airfare, or not provided an apartment like the one in the pictures. Now, thankfully things worked out for me, but I'm under no illusion that worse things by far happen to other people. |
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Marinx
Joined: 15 Jul 2017
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Location: Guangdong
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The bear wrote: |
| But what if the employer had said 'the pay is 1,000 yuan less', or withheld airfare, or not provided an apartment like the one in the pictures. |
If my prospective employer is going to have a probation period in the contract where if I do X Y or Z, I'll be let go...then I'm having a probation period in the contract where if my employer does X Y Z, they'll be let go. |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
Posts: 768
Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| The bear wrote: |
| You're right, we're not going to agree, you think that if someone does their research it's set in stone. But things change. |
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