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PGCEi - advantages and drawbacks?
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Tudor



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
nimadecaomei wrote:
I am pretty sure most, if not all, involve observations and reflection on practice as part of the assessment.


Some do like the Sunderland and Keele ones, but probably the best known is Nottingham's which has no observations and is just assessed by four written tasks of 3000 words each.
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getbehindthemule



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting post, and I must look into this, as I'm currently teaching Science in China and will most likely be here for the medium term (or in SEA at least).
Could sombody please give me an idea on how long it takes to complete and the cost of a PGCEi?

Edit: I'm fortunate to have a decent Science teaching position with just a BSc and TEFL. This is down to the lack of available Science teachers. Even in SH, where there are plenty of English teachers to fill the void, Science teachers are hard to find.
I'd imagine the PGCEi added to my 5 years of Science teaching experience would open a lot of doors into the better paid positions here in China.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
getbehindthemule wrote:
Could sombody please give me an idea on how long it takes to complete and the cost of a PGCEi?


It should be around 6000 pounds and take about a year to complete. Depending on the teaching situation and what program you go with. I would recommend the program I took, unfortunately it is still not publicly available in China. It was kind of in house where I used to work. I have a mate doing the Sunderland program at the moment and it seems good. His tutor came in two weeks ago for an observation and the principal is doing some as well.
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getbehindthemule



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
nimadecaomei wrote:
getbehindthemule wrote:
Could sombody please give me an idea on how long it takes to complete and the cost of a PGCEi?


It should be around 6000 pounds and take about a year to complete. Depending on the teaching situation and what program you go with. I would recommend the program I took, unfortunately it is still not publicly available in China. It was kind of in house where I used to work. I have a mate doing the Sunderland program at the moment and it seems good. His tutor came in two weeks ago for an observation and the principal is doing some as well.


Thanks mate, so around 55k in rambos, it is a lot of money to fork out but something to consider for sure! I will have a full time job next year so would it be managable, doing this on the side?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it was more like 3750, or something like that. With the weak pound it was about 30,000 RMB.

Also, you can pay in three instalments, so I paid 10000 at the start, 10000 in December and 10000 in February sometime.

Most people can find 30000 if you have a half decent job, especially in places like China. Doing two or three hours private a week would pay the course.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
LarssonCrew wrote:
I think it was more like 3750, or something like that. With the weak pound it was about 30,000 RMB.

Also, you can pay in three instalments, so I paid 10000 at the start, 10000 in December and 10000 in February sometime.

Most people can find 30000 if you have a half decent job, especially in places like China. Doing two or three hours private a week would pay the course.



The money is one side of it, having the free time to complete the course is another?
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Tudor



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Posters keep talking about this as if it's one generic qualification when it's not. There are several different providers charging different prices and offering a differing product under different names.

The ones I'm aware of are Nottingham's PGCEi, Sunderlands PGCE Education (IDL), Sheffield's iPGCE, Keele's PGCE International and Buckingham's International PGCE. There may well be others.

As I said, they are all different. For example, Nottingham's is about GBP 3,700 and there is no assessed teaching content (although they do require you to attend a pesky orientation course prior to commencement). Sunderland does have an assessed teaching aspect but is more expensive and obviously there is the added expense and logistics of completing the teaching practice. Presumably the latter qualification would be more respected by employers.

For the record, I haven't done any of them but a friend has done the Nottingham one and got a job in a lower-tier international school after finishing it. Whether he'd have got that job without this qualification is open to debate.
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