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Iloveamma



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:04 am    Post subject: Picking a place to work Reply with quote

Here is what I am thinking.

1. I am searching for a city which has little pollution, which does not feel overcrowded and is near to nature, a beach or otherwise.
2. A place where I can get an university position, but I do not feel stranded or short of money.
3. A beautiful area which is NOT humid and is warmer in the winter.
4. A place where I can generally feel connected to nature, but also be in a modernized city, with a modern apartment, and where I can go to a coffee shop and plug in a computer.
5. A university where I do not need to overwork myself, and I can maintain my online situations. This means I need to be somewhere with a decent internet connection.

My question is, if you live on a campus at a university, how do you get around? As a vegetarian, I am somewhat concerned with food availability.

I have two BA degrees, and I have taught for three years. The last one year I have taught online. I have a TEFL.

Which sites can I find university positions? I have not had much luck. I just found the ansel. There must be more.

Any ideas or suggestions?
Thanks!
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've taught in both Dalian and Qingdao. These are cities that are regarded by the Chinese as desireable locations.
Dalian being northern has a cooler summer and being on the Liaoning Penninsula helps - sea not far away on both sides.
Dalian is the northernmost ice-free port in China. That said, to me coming from the Pacific region it was perishing.
Qingdao is on the coast and has decent beaches. Relaxed beach-side vibe in summer particularly at the railway station end. Nice alfresco dining and many of the German enclave era buildings have been preserved. In summer a sea breeze kicks in in the early afternoon, but it doesn't penetrate far from the sea.
On-campus dining halls have plenty of vege options and cheap.
On balance I'd go for Qingdao if you can get a job nearer the sea.
Best
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Iloveamma



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Thank you for the reply.
What do you mean it was perishing?

Does that mean it is humid?
I will check out Qingdao. How do you get around?
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Iloveamma



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at this crappy offer from Qingdao university. Guess I would fall into the 4500 category. Sad

Monthly salary from RMB 4,500 to 10,000 (4,500 for bachelor’s with over two years’ teaching experience; 5,000 for master’s; 5,500 for doctor’s; 7,500 maximum for associate professor; 10,000 maximum for full professor)
* Round-trip international flight allowance every year (8,000 for Europe; 10,000 for USA)
* Monthly apartment renting allowance from 1,500 to 2,500
* Yearly heating allowance from 2,100 to 3,700
* Medical insurance of 1,680 per year.
* Free transport from the airport
* Luggage delivery reimbursement of 1,000.
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cormac



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never accept a position for lower than 5500. 5500 was the amount being offered when I first came to China 8 years ago. TBH, Most universities have risen the cap to 7000 and you really should be demanding that as a minimum with the free housing (check the rental amounts for your target city, and make sure the uni isn't messing with you) .

Your qualifications are enough to get a decent uni job, so don't accept the crappy ones. Usually, the first year will be low, and then once you're there a year, you can negotiate for a higher amount or find other universities in the area for better salaries.

Just to add.. the salary offered is important because it determines your status in the institution. Like most of us you'll make your real money doing private gigs or alternative work, but still... Chinese people will always try to cut corners and save money. Don't let them.
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Iloveamma



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for saying this. I was really thinking that with my qualifications I would have to start very low.
But you think I could ask for 7000 to start?

It seems very scary to commit to stay somewhere I have never been before!
But I guess some are offering 6 month contracts.

Can you give me any suggestions of where I can find good university jobs?
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cormac



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

6 Months? I've met a few people who did short term contracts, but they were rarely happy with their experience. I think you would be happier with the full contract (which is only really 10 months anyway).

Can't really help you much since you're seeking places very different from what I've experienced. I stayed in Xi'an for almost 8 years, but Xi'an doesn't come close to what you want. I tend to stick to inland cities.

Lastly, regarding salary, don't undervalue yourself. With the changes in government policy, there are less foreigners around for schools/universities to use. You have the required qualifications and experience for a teaching visa, so accept that.

Around 5500 is livable in the countryside or in a smaller city, but you'll want some money for travelling. All the Tier 2 cities have become more expensive, and while you can eat local food, you will find plenty of other expenses all around which will cut quickly into your salary. Tier 1 cities can be very expensive depending on your interests.

Dunno, if you're male/female, and interesting in dating, but if you're planning on dating some Chinese women, then expect to pay for most things with them... which can rack up the costs during a month.

In other words, aim for 6500-7000 as the baseline salary, and do try for more. You might get it.
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Iloveamma



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is great advice!
I appreciate it so much.

What do you think of Suzhou and Hangzhou?

I won't be dating many Chinese women, though that would be nice, seeing as I am a heterosexual female, but it is good to know. Smile
So then I can expect the Chinese man to pay for everything? LOL

How many weeks does a semester run? If it is 16 hours a week, what kind of lesson plans are we talking? Would it be one new plan a week?

Can you give me some idea? Thanks a lot for your encouragement.
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cormac



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iloveamma wrote:
That is great advice!
I appreciate it so much.

What do you think of Suzhou and Hangzhou?


I enjoyed Hangzhou, although I've only spent a few weekends there. My advice is to check the expat forums, and ask around from expat locals. Travelling for a weekend or a few days doesn't really tell you about a place.

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I won't be dating many Chinese women, though that would be nice, seeing as I am a heterosexual female, but it is good to know. Smile
So then I can expect the Chinese man to pay for everything? LOL


Probably. From my female foreign friends, it tends to work that way, although few of them stick long-term to dating Chinese men. The difference in culture is a bit more abrasive since few will respect your culture.

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How many weeks does a semester run? If it is 16 hours a week, what kind of lesson plans are we talking? Would it be one new plan a week?


That's going to depend on your university. Whether its public or private, and their own organisation of classes. TBH, you'll generally be amazed at how quickly the semesters go by. There are a lot of holidays or days where your classes will be cancelled for internal celebrations.

As for lesson plans, University work is generally really easy. Try to find a school that has English majors, and focus on conversational classes. Writing classes tend to require far more work. I have a set of lesson plans I created in my first year and I just update them sometimes, reusing them each new class group.

I'd actually advise getting the course book(s) (and finding out if there is a real curriculum, although there probably won't), and doing all your lesson plans before the semester starts. It doesn't require that much work, and frees you up to be flexible since you have ideas prepared. Just be comfortable with changing your plans, and you'll be fine.

Be a little wary of universities who have you teaching non-English majors. It requires more preparation and tends to entail a lot of frustration... but can be very rewarding too.

I'd highly recommend contacting some of your old teachers from high school and getting advice on classroom management, lesson prep, and motivation. University in China is probably closer to high school in the west in terms of maturity... They're usually very well behaved but... everything helps.
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Iloveamma



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I absolutely love your replies!
It would be a bit hard to find my college teachers though, since that was almost 20 years ago! I only remember one of my professor's names!

I have a profssionally designed online curriculum that is extremely awesome. I would not have to do anything except get it onto the projector. But it has only about 660 lessons.

How many total lessons would I need to teach in one year? Do you have any idea?
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Iloveamma



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, you seem to know a bunch here.
I am curious as to how it works to open a business there?
I would love to teach Business English.
Is it hard? Just getting a job and visa is hard, so I cannot imagine what they make you do to open a business
Is it possible, or am I dreaming?
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Elicit



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iloveamma wrote:

...so I cannot imagine what they make you do to open a business


For me, the unthinkable and unspeakable 😳
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Iloveamma



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cormac wrote:
6 Months? I've met a few people who did short term contracts, but they were rarely happy with their experience. I think you would be happier with the full contract (which is only really 10 months anyway).

Can't really help you much since you're seeking places very different from what I've experienced. I stayed in Xi'an for almost 8 years, but Xi'an doesn't come close to what you want. I tend to stick to inland cities.

Lastly, regarding salary, don't undervalue yourself. With the changes in government policy, there are less foreigners around for schools/universities to use. You have the required qualifications and experience for a teaching visa, so accept that.

Around 5500 is livable in the countryside or in a smaller city, but you'll want some money for travelling. All the Tier 2 cities have become more expensive, and while you can eat local food, you will find plenty of other expenses all around which will cut quickly into your salary. Tier 1 cities can be very expensive depending on your interests.

Dunno, if you're male/female, and interesting in dating, but if you're planning on dating some Chinese women, then expect to pay for most things with them... which can rack up the costs during a month.

In other words, aim for 6500-7000 as the baseline salary, and do try for more. You might get it.


My other question, do you think the internet connection is an issue? Will I be able to keep my hours of online teaching?
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guobaoyobro



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iloveamma wrote:
cormac wrote:
6 Months? I've met a few people who did short term contracts, but they were rarely happy with their experience. I think you would be happier with the full contract (which is only really 10 months anyway).

Can't really help you much since you're seeking places very different from what I've experienced. I stayed in Xi'an for almost 8 years, but Xi'an doesn't come close to what you want. I tend to stick to inland cities.

Lastly, regarding salary, don't undervalue yourself. With the changes in government policy, there are less foreigners around for schools/universities to use. You have the required qualifications and experience for a teaching visa, so accept that.

Around 5500 is livable in the countryside or in a smaller city, but you'll want some money for travelling. All the Tier 2 cities have become more expensive, and while you can eat local food, you will find plenty of other expenses all around which will cut quickly into your salary. Tier 1 cities can be very expensive depending on your interests.

Dunno, if you're male/female, and interesting in dating, but if you're planning on dating some Chinese women, then expect to pay for most things with them... which can rack up the costs during a month.

In other words, aim for 6500-7000 as the baseline salary, and do try for more. You might get it.


My other question, do you think the internet connection is an issue? Will I be able to keep my hours of online teaching?


Don't count on this. I have not been able to. The internet is really insanely terrible here if you use a VPN. Even if you don't....blech.

Excited for a break from that.
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cormac



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iloveamma wrote:
How many total lessons would I need to teach in one year? Do you have any idea?


Nope. Off the top of my head, no. Usually you'll have one group of students once a week, sometimes twice if they're losing numbers signing up. the 16 hours a week is a rough estimate. Last semester I had 12 hours a week, and the semester before it, I had 20 (although they asked my agreement on the extra beyond 16 hours). My first year in Xi'an, I had a semester with just 6 hours on one day. The rest of the week completely free.

Don't know about your purchased lesson plans. TBH, I've grabbed them from online sites and forums, but in the end, found that my own creations were better... for me. Every teacher puts their own personality into their teaching, and using other peoples plans can sometimes feel very awkward. Still, you'll learn as you go...

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Also, you seem to know a bunch here.


In China, 2 years as a management consultant and 8 years as a teacher. I know a bit. Still, most of what I know is local to where I've lived. Be wary of people who claim to know or understand China... It's a bloody big country, and is full of contradictions.

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I am curious as to how it works to open a business there?
I would love to teach Business English.


Opening a business means entering into a partnership with a Chinese national. Do your research. It's not easy, and is full of dangers... You're a foreigner, and have extremely limited rights here.

Business English is different, and honestly, it's a very easy option if you have the actual operational experience to back up your qualifications. However, it generally doesn't pay very well once you compare the offered amounts versus the time travelling, and cancelled/postponed lessons. I've tried making it work in China, but it's only worked when they come to you in a central location and that means working with a language mill.

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Is it hard? Just getting a job and visa is hard,


Getting a job and visa in China isn't hard. And setting up a business isn't difficult either.

The problems consist of what happens once you get those done. Dealing with Chinese people, culture, and attitudes is... very like a minefield. You can be extremely lucky, but just as easily be unlucky. Don't assume that Chinese people will use your morals and logic. The vast majority won't.
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