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Kalkstein
Joined: 25 Aug 2016 Posts: 80
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:22 am Post subject: |
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They have grand opinions of themselves as being clever because they think they are doing exactly what they want |
I don't have grand opinions of myself... I think you're the one with grandiose opinions of teaching. The real heroes are the surgeons saving lives everyday, people developing technology that run our lives etc... Tell you what though, I certainly do what I want.
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Students probably don't complain about your classes because they see them as 'free time'.
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I'm aware and I don't care, I also see the classes as a relaxation period from my real job. My life is super easy right now.
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I suspect most think you are a joke but don't care or complain because they can do what they want.
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That is possible and I still don't care. Trust me, Chinese people do not view foreign teachers even qualified teachers highly. The difference is I realise this and can accept it.
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Basically, you are another foreign 'nobody'.
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As are all teachers, the problem is too many teachers think they are something when they are not. Teaching is not prestigious. My students like me because I can relate to them, am extremely lenient, joke with them and teach them a little too not because of my qualifications. My real expertise is not in teaching, I'm not going to pretend it is.
The bottom line is, why would I make my life harder for a minuscule amount of money, if you wanna do that fine and respect to you for it but I'm not going to be forced into that line of thinking. It's all about making my life as easy as possible and making the most money. Right now I have a great balance. |
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teenoso
Joined: 18 Sep 2013 Posts: 365 Location: south china
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:18 am Post subject: |
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I was told many years ago (by whom , I forget) , that you should never be late for class here, and never finish early, otherwise the students will (or maybe, have an obligation to?) tell their head teacher.
It suits me because I am almost always early for everything, so I'm usually in class 15 mins before the start. But many people are by nature 'late' or last minute for things , so I can see that might go against the grain. But , as others have said, once you know the problem, it's an easy fix.
In the UK by and large college teachers decided when to finish, sometimes early and sometimes late, but here no, and when the bell rings the students get ready to leave. Of course they have a much tighter schedule than students in the UK.
Also, I agree eating while teaching is unnecessary for teachers and students, especially if there's a break after 40 or 45 mins, but if the students turn up for an 8am start while finishing their breakfast, I am not too fussed.
You say you are a friendly teacher , but one thing in the original post bothered me , and forgive me if I misunderstood -
- you effectively 'called out' a group of students about submitting an anonymous complaint, which they of course denied doing.
I think this shows a lack of respect for them and for the process. After all , students will (and should be allowed to) only make anonymous complaints, because they know otherwise they could be victimised. |
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r_br_c
Joined: 15 May 2017 Posts: 3 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| Kalkstein wrote: |
I don't have grand opinions of myself... I think you're the one with grandiose opinions of teaching. |
It's a job. In my opinion, you should attempt to do it properly.
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I'm aware and I don't care, I also see the classes as a relaxation period from my real job. My life is super easy right now. |
What is your 'real' job? Virtually all the teachers I met with your attitude were lazy drunks, egotistical racists, imbeciles, skirt chasers or frustrated lonely old men.
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My students like me because I can relate to them, am extremely lenient, joke with them and teach them a little too not because of my qualifications. My real expertise is not in teaching, I'm not going to pretend it is. |
Then stop pretending that your students like you. You are a joke to them, just another foreign 'idiot'. |
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Kalkstein
Joined: 25 Aug 2016 Posts: 80
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| r_br_c wrote: |
It's a job. In my opinion, you should attempt to do it properly.
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Well, that's in your opinion. The only opinion I care about is my employer's, I will put in the least amount of effort possible to remain in the job.
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What is your 'real' job? Virtually all the teachers I met with your attitude were lazy drunks, egotistical racists, imbeciles, skirt chasers or frustrated lonely old men.
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Tech and none of those non-objectionable labels fit me. Not old, don't drink much, work a lot (in my actual job) etc. I'm only interested in money and free time.
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Then stop pretending that your students like you. You are a joke to them, just another foreign 'idiot'.
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1) Not all of your own students like you, you can pretend they do but invariably there will be some that hate you or think you are stupid just for being a teacher.
2) As we already discussed there are a large contingent of students that like me for the mere fact I let them do what they want/I am interesting etc... Some students just don't care about learning English. If this were not the case I'd have got poor feedback from my classes but usually I get great feedback.
3) All teachers are seen as foreign idiots by educated Chinese professionals, I'm not going to pretend the career is something fantastic... it's not.
4) Even if you're right and every single one of my students hated me, I still would not care so long as I remain in the job. I evaluate my life by my monetary income and achievements in tech, not teaching. It's just a means to an end - getting a visa. |
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nimadecaomei
Joined: 22 Sep 2016 Posts: 605
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:11 am Post subject: |
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It's just a means to an end - getting a visa.
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Essentially, you are illegally working. Is that something to brag about? |
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Mr. Kalgukshi Mod Team


Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 6613 Location: Need to know basis only.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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r_br_c
Joined: 15 May 2017 Posts: 3 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| nimadecaomei wrote: |
| Kalkstein wrote: |
It's just a means to an end - getting a visa.
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Essentially, you are illegally working. Is that something to brag about? |
More to the point, What's Kalkstein even doing on this forum when the only thing he cares about is being popular with his students by letting them do whatever they want?
The OP's dilemma, if real, is that he seems to have no awareness of how students/administration see his self-indulgent behaviour |
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Simon in Suzhou
Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Posts: 404 Location: GZ
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:48 am Post subject: |
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As many have said here, being late for class alone might be enough not to get renewed. However in China there is the reason you're TOLD that you're being let go and the REAL reason which is often never articulated to you because Chinese people generally like to avoid conflict and/or embarrassing conversations.
I have seen teachers at universities not renewed for having the wrong skin tone, being overweight, hygiene issues, being too touchy-feely with students (in class), and having other foreign teachers who dislike them spread true or untrue rumors about their personal lives. I have seen other teachers lose their temper, shame a student publicly, causing them to lose face, and having whole classes complain about them. All have been ignorant about these reasons.
So, who knows. |
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