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[once again]

This makes very interesting reading and viewing. For the video, click on the link in the text.

http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/08/27/barnes/index.html

[Seth]

i, for one, am very glad george bush protected alabama from the vietnamese. for all we know, the official language of alabama today could be vietnamese if the brave men of the alabama airforce national guard hadn't have protected us! god bless dubya!

[Ludwig]

Thanks for the link. It is certainly interesting, though hardly surprising. After all, what would be the point of having all that money, status, future, (and thus security) if you had to go and risk being killed in some war?

Remember, the elites themselves (recall that the criminal Bush senior was head of the CIA for many, many years, and, in fact, during the Indonesian invasion and rape of East Timor) know very well such wars are largely spurious. Why allow oneself to be put in a position where you could lose your life (especially when you know the war has motivations different to those presented to the common masses)?

[moonraven]

WHAT National Guard service?????

[justcolleen]

[distiller]

The whole "elite" thing is obvious and that's why it is suprising that some one like Kerry would volunteer to go. And it blows my mind how the Bush and his swift boat vets for lies dare attack Kerry on his battle record. For god sake Kerry saved a man's life while Bush was AWOL.

[kimo]

[distiller]

I agree that Bush has accomplished absolutely nothing and I am scared as well by the lack of insightfulness the electorate is showing these days. What is it that appeals to people? He is supposedly strong but only in the sense that once he has decided to do something he will do it despite all evidence that may arise to the contrary. That is not strong, that is bullheaded and unresponsive. Since when were strength and wisdom mutually exclusive?

Amerians usually vote their pocketbook in elections and thus far Bush has lost 1.1 million jobs over his presidency. Clinton gained 22 million in his.

Numbers just came out from the census beaurea that we have 35.9 million people living in poverty, or one in eight Americans, up 1.3 million more than in 2002. Also 45 million people have no health insurance, up 1.4 million from 2002.

What are we a third world country? Is this the direction we want to go in? With the polls neck and neck it almost seems so.

[moonraven]

Frankly, the majority of the US voters will deserve what they get--whether it turns out to be Tweedledee or Tweedledumb. The collective unconscious has been in control there for a number of years. When you compare the shenanagins of the Bush Gang of Petrocriminals to Nixon and his crew, Nixon comes out looking like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, and would certainly be a better president than either T-dee or T-dumb if he were alive today. How about "He's tanned, he's rested, he's ready: Nixon in 2004"?

It's outrageous, but when all people care about is buying STUFF they lose all critical awareness of the product--ANY product will do: even a severely damaged mentally retarded person like Bush. If all else fails they can always feel superior to him....

[zaneth]

My sister recently expressed frustration that a lot of her Christians friends will vote Republican simply because of the abortion issue.

[moonraven]

Your sister needs to give them an earful about their hypocrisy: they can't accept that an embryo or a fetus could be "killed", yet the killing of more than 10,000 Iraqis and 1,000 US soldiers is just fine....?

Pretty much proves my point--that the electorate will get what they deserve.

[Seth]

i'd almost be afraid to return to china if bush is re-elected. bush being re -elected would tell people that most (slightly more than half, anyway) of the US population think nothing's wrong with the Bush administration's foreign policy. then people like moonraven would be even more hostile towards me for something i had nothing really to do with. i was in china when the iraq war broke out, i don't want a repeat of that situation even though nothing major happened to me. i did get yelled at by a few people, though, for my nationality and skin color. i was in britain during the 2000 election so i didn't even vote. i'll vote this time but i'm in a conservative state so i don't think my vote will count for much.

i think, though, most people who vote for bush aren't voting for 'world empire' or more wars or whatever, they're voting against abortion, for tax cuts, or for just the republican party/conservative politics in general.

it all just stinks.

[moonraven]

Seth--I am not hostile to you because Bush was imposed by his daddy's Supreme Court judges as president. I am sure you were not on the bench for that decision.

If you are currently in the US, though--instead of piddling your energy away on this forum, why not get out there and change some voters' minds? I take this seriously enough that I am resigning from my job--where by Mexican standards I make a very good salary--in order to spend from the first week in October through the election in rural areas of the Pacific Northwest (strong GOP bastions) giving presentations on Bush's interventionism in Latin America. Why not get with your local Peace and Justice folks when the get back from NYC and get something going about how the US is viewed in China, for example? Put your mouth where your convictions are.

[Seth]

[moonraven]

Your choice, buddy. I am 3 months away from turning 60, and I do not plan to "grow out of" my activism. What an absurd concept! What I am hearing from you are excuses for your apathy and laziness--not burn out. In that case, yes--I do blame you for not taking appropriate action (results are not the point here), and yet expecting to be excluded from any responsibility for the imposition of the worst president in the history of the US.