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Lee_Odden

Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 172
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:12 am Post subject: Useful Advice for the Newcomers |
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Tips for the Newcomer and Those Considering Teaching in China
I think it might be useful to start a new, helpful thread where the more seasoned EFL teachers can post advice and suggestions for the newcomer based on their own hard-earned experiences � in a non-judgmental and non-condescending manner.
Here�s what I would start with as considerations for the teacher contemplating teaching English as a second language in China:
1. Teaching English as a foreign language is tiring. It�s not particularly difficult, especially if you are a native speaker and you can remember basic grammar, but it can be extremely draining especially if the English level of your students is particularly poor. Try reading a newspaper out loud as if you were reading it to a 5-year old child. Read very slowly and very clearly and take the time to explain every word that might not be readily understood by the child � but make sure you use very basic vocabulary in order to do this. Try doing that for one hour. Now multiple that by 12 to 20+ hours per week and that should give you a relative idea as to what your experience may very well be like. Teaching English as a foreign language is not for everyone; it requires the Patience of Job and a great deal of dedication and commitment.
2. Choose your school very carefully. Research the school extensively by reading reviews and soliciting comments from other members on forums such as this one. There are significant differences in how contracts are honored and in how foreign teachers are regarded and treated from school to school. Although one negative report may not be sufficient cause for you to entirely eliminate the school as a choice, a pattern of negative reports should definitely dissuade you (watch out also for extreme contradictions in reports. Many schools will cajole 'positive reviews' from current teachers in response to a particularly bad and revealing one in exchange for some benefit). Before accepting any teaching position, ask the foreign affairs officer (FAO) or Western recruiter for the contact information of, at least, two teachers; preferably of one who has already completed his/her contract. Reputable schools that treat their foreign teachers well will have absolutely no difficulty providing you with this information. If you receive any resistance or hesitation whatsoever when asking for this information, treat it as a big red warning sign and stay away.
3. Reputable schools are authorized by the government to hire foreign experts and will send you the proper paperwork for you to obtain your Z-Visa (work Visa) before coming to China. If a school urges you to come to China to work on a L- or F-Visa (promising conversion to a Z-Visa after arrival), that most likely is a warning sign that the school is not authorized to hire foreign experts. You should not come to work in China with anything but a Z-Visa.
4. Appreciate that contracts do not have the same meaning in China as they do in the West. Contracts, although steadfast in the West, are far more fluid in China. Do not necessarily assume that ambiguous wording in the contract is the result of a poor or inaccurate translation. Ambiguity in the contract will always work against you in the event there is a dispute later on. Despite what many Western recruiters of private English language schools will tell you, contracts are negotiable. But the real truth of the matter is, there isn�t much you can do, practically speaking, if your employer fails to honor the terms of the contract. A few foreign teachers, who have been cheated, have successfully hired attorneys and won decisions and money but the process is long and tedious and potentially not worth your time and legal fees. That is why your best protection is in choosing a reputable school to begin with. Trust the experience of those who have been there before you.
5. As a rule, it is safer to teach for public (government regulated) schools and universities than it is for private English language schools. However, if you do not meet the basic requirements (minimum of a bachelor�s degree and two years of relevant experience), you may have little choice but to work for a private school which will typically fabricate your credentials. The greatest abuses occur in private English language schools, in part, because they know teachers who do not meet the basic qualifications have fewer choices and will, more likely than not, tolerate whatever conditions they are presented with.
6. Currently, the overall demand for foreign teachers is greater than the supply. It is completely unnecessary to use recruitment agencies and services to secure a good job. It is always better to trust your own discretion and judgment (based on your extensive research) than to rely on the integrity of anyone who stands to personally gain from your employment.
7. Salaries in mainland China typically range between 3500 to 6000 RMB per month, depending on the qualifications of the teacher and, to a lesser degree, on location. Some private English language schools will offer more and, a few, less. You should not accept less than 3500 RMB per month. There seems to be something of an unwritten ledger sheet, among all the schools, where remuneration is concerned. When considering the remuneration, look carefully at the total package � factor in total work hours (hours required for face-to-face teaching, grading papers, English corners, office work, etc) against salary, quality of housing, paid holidays as well as medical and other benefits. In my experience, when you factor-in all the variables, there seems to be something of a balancing-effect taking place. For example, schools that seem to pay more for the same amount of work hours may compensate for that increase by offering poorer medical benefits, inadequate housing or less reimbursement for airfares. Consider all the variables very carefully before making a decision. As a rule, you should receive a salary, an apartment, paid holidays (verify that the holidays are truly paid days off and not just re-scheduled work days, as is often the case), medical coverage and roundtrip airfare. Some schools pay for all utilities, others do not. Check the details carefully and don't assume anything. If it's not in writing, the chances are great, you are not going to get the school to pay for whatever it is you want, no matter how reasonable it was for you to assume otherwise.
Can you live on the amount of salary being offered? That really depends on how you like to live and, particularly, on where you are teaching. Obviously, the cost of living in Beijing or Shanghai is considerably higher than it is in smaller, especially northeastern and inland, cities (although the higher cost of living is often over-represented by housing, which, typcially, will be included in your package). Many foreign teachers manage to save up to 2,000 RMB per month on their salaries (approximately 240 dollars US). However, if you have special needs, like to frequent Western and 5-star hotel restaurants, if you get really sick, need expensive medication that is not covered by the school's policy or you decide to visit a local ex-pat medical facility, those savings can quickly vanish, and then some. Financially speaking, teaching in China is most viable for those without considerable indebtedness back home � those who are recent college graduates (who haven�t, as of yet, begun their �real� careers back home) and early retirees (people who have finished their careers and are endeavoring to stretch their pensions by living in a developing country). On the other hand, there are many of us in the mid-career stages of our lives who have opted for a relatively less stressful life in China. The problem with leaving your life, in the middle of your career to teach in China, becomes one of not having the financial means to return home and begin anew at a later time (such that whatever you are able to save will undoubtedly be insufficient to rebuild your life back home, depending on your circumstances). Thus, for some, teaching in China can create a type of economic prison in which the individual has little choice but to remain or move to yet another developing country in search of something better. For those who love China (and many do), that is not a problem and many do prefer living in China to fighting the rat race back home.
8. Living in China is not an easy adjustment to make. The cultural differences between China and the West are formidable and include all facets of life, e.g., language, food, personal and social hygiene, social mores and customs, air and environmental conditions, etc. (Browse the threads on the Off-Topic Forum for detailed information about what it is like to live and work in China.) Obviously, you will need to be a fairly resilient and tolerant individual in order to successfully make the myriad of adjustments required of you. The initial adjustment can be extremely frustrating and stressful; especially if you are not mentally prepared before arriving. Here are some of the conditions that I personally found to be the most challenging:
Because China is a developing country, living conditions and standards are considerably lower than in the West. What your employer considers �suitable and customary housing,� will most likely not meet with your Western definition of it. I have lived in three different apartments in two years and each one was filthy and in varying states of disrepair when I arrived (but, despite that, was still considerably larger and nicer than the apartments lived in by most of the locals). Plan on the need to hire a cleaning service to scrub down your apartment shortly after arrival or mentally prepare to do it yourself (you can hire a good cleaning lady to come in for several hours per week for about 24 dollars per month). For the most part, furnishings are stark and utilitarian only. (I, for one, cannot live without a night table next to my bed and a reading lamb. Only one of three schools has ever provided a night table.) In all three cases, I had to purchase my own mattress because the one provided was little more than what we would call a �box-spring.� As a rule, only the bathroom will have hot running water provided by a hot water heater wall-unit connected to a shower head attached to the wall, with no shower stall or curtain. You will need to buy a sponge mop to push the water down a drain after taking a shower.
There is only one English-speaking television station in China; CCTV-9 and not all cable companies carry it as part of basic service. Many of us rely on the abundance of cheap (pirated) DVDs available in China for entertainment. Plan on purchasing a DVD player (I purchased a decent one for about 36 dollars US).
Keep in mind that Westerners typically operate from an internal-locus of control whereas the Chinese operate far more on an external-locus of control. That is, Westerners greatly value independence, autonomy and self-determination (and believe that success is mostly the result of hard work) whereas Chinese put far greater emphasis on luck, group norms and �fitting-in� (and believe that success is mostly the result of good luck and who you know through networking relationships, i.e., guanxi). Whereas Westerners are far more likely to assume responsibility for their mistakes and actions, and are quick to apologize for wrongdoings, the Chinese are far more likely to attribute their faults to a �misunderstanding� on your part and are extremely reticent to apologize as this constitutes a considerable loss of �face� (mianxi). Based on my experience, the best way to handle this situation is to �give� the Chinese face by agreeing to the presence of a �misunderstanding.� In this way, you have �earned� considerable relationship points and are technically �owed� at a later time (and this is one very good way to build guanxi).
It is very important not to attribute the same type of motivation to the Chinese that we naturally would to a Westerner. One of things I found very difficult to adjust to was the manner in which organizational bureaucracy affects even the simplest of requests. Sometimes a simple request will not be responded to because the wrong person was addressed and he/she did not want to lose face by directing you to the right person. (And, at other times, depending on the employer, you are actually being ignored and disrespected. But, sometimes, knowing the difference can be a very difficult call and learning that difference is often simply the result of experience and biding your time. If you don�t already have an enormous amount of patience before arriving in China, you will either develop it or you will eventually leave the country in frustration.) The Chinese simply operate on a very different timetable than we do and there is no getting away from that. It took me months to acclimate to receiving phone calls advising me of a meeting or class that I was to attend in less than one hour. Now, I take that not infrequent occurrence with a grain of salt � in the beginning, it used to raise my blood pressure by 50 points.
In the West, we trust in labels whether they are on medication, DVDs, foods, clothing; whatever. China leads the world (followed by India) in the production and distribution of counterfeit and adulterated goods, including medication (some estimates report that 50 percent of all pharmaceuticals sold in China are counterfeit; see, for example, http://www.kshp.org/June.htm and http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue188/nation.htm). In some instances, the prevalence of counterfeit goods can work to your advantage, such as when building your DVD or software collection. In other instances, it can be dangerous, such as when walking into a drugstore and purchasing antibiotics that you assume are real and are not. Bring plenty of real, broad-spectrum, antibiotics from home. I suffered severely for months from a mistreated sinus infection because I could not secure reliable antibiotics in the city I was living in at the time. The problem is, and this was confirmed by both the Chinese and ex-pat doctors, there is no reliable way of knowing whether the antibiotics (as well as other medications) are real without chemically testing them first.
No one prepared me for the amount of stair-climbing I would have to do in China. Only buildings taller than eight floors seem to have elevators. For some, this is an opportunity to get some exercise. For me, it was an anathema. One major factor in my decision to accept my current position was the fact that my apartment was in a 22-story building with two elevators (and with a backup generator in case of power failure � I checked!). Of course, I still have to climb four to six stairs every time I teach, but this I can live with.
China is overpopulated and, as such, personal space is at a premium. Expect people to occasionally cut in front of you while you are waiting in lines. You can either accept it or quietly, gently but decidedly reclaim your space � the latter is readily accepted because it is understood.
All in all, I really do love working and living in China. I find teaching college students in China far more personally rewarding than I did back home and I have true academic freedom, for the first time. Despite the differences, and in some cases because of those differences, I really do love the people and the relatively laid-back, relaxed and relatively informal way things are done here. My life here is considerably less stressful than it was back home. Despite all the adjustments I have had to make, I will probably stay here for the long haul.
I am certain others on this forum have plenty more they can add to this discussion. I have only mentioned what was salient to me in the personal adjustments I had to make in order to live and work comfortably in China.
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Talkdoc
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TEAM_PAPUA

Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1679 Location: HOLE
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:04 am Post subject: * |
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An excellent & well considered post. I have been here in China for a year now, and I agree with everything you have said.
I would add the disgusting behaviour of some Chinese, but that's all been done before.
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Sinobear

Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269 Location: Purgatory
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:20 am Post subject: Excellent |
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Bravo!! |
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struelle
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 2372 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Excellent |
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Great post, I think the clincher is this:
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If you don�t already have an enormous amount of patience before arriving in China, you will either develop it or you will eventually leave the country in frustration. The Chinese simply operate on a very different timetable than we do and there is no getting away from that. |
We normally think of patience as dealing with long waits while we're in a hurry and others are doing things slowly. A common stereotype is that Chinese do this, and operate at a slower pace and timetable than our own.
But I've found this isn't true at all. If anything, the pace of life is much faster here. That is certainly true when comparing Shanghai with, say, Vancouver. While I was there recently, I couldn't believe how many people were hanging around coffee bars, walking leisurely, smiling to strangers, and generally taking a very laid-back but also efficient approach to business. Not so in China.
The sheer omnipresence of Chinese red tape generates a rat race or a rabbit run out of trying to accomplish simple tasks. It's not that they do things slowly, they do things in a very complicated way. The patience comes when you deal with these unexpected twists and turns while trying to remain focused on just what exactly the task is. Often the goalposts change completely and you have to deal with that.
If you cultivate patience while working here, surely this goes hand-in-hand with flexibility.
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Lee_Odden

Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 172
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Excellent |
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struelle wrote: |
The sheer omnipresence of Chinese red tape generates a rat race or a rabbit run out of trying to accomplish simple tasks. It's not that they do things slowly, they do things in a very complicated way. The patience comes when you deal with these unexpected twists and turns while trying to remain focused on just what exactly the task is. Often the goalposts change completely and you have to deal with that.
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Excellent distinction Steve! The effect is delay but sometimes not the intent. Often, I've forgotten what the original request was through the labyrinth of people that I've needed to negotiate with. |
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magicman

Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 18 Location: Zhejiang Province , China
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Lee ! What a great job you have done here. This must be one of the best and most helpful posts I have come across in ANY of the forums here.
Absolutely great !
I , like many others , agree with the points you have made here with one exception.
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3. Reputable schools are authorized by the government to hire foreign experts and will send you the proper paperwork for you to obtain your Z-Visa (work Visa) before coming to China. If a school urges you to come to China to work on a L- or F-Visa (promising conversion to a Z-Visa after arrival), that most likely is a warning sign that the school is not authorized to hire foreign experts. You should not come to work in China with anything but a Z-Visa. |
I honestly think that you should rewrite this part because my experience , and that of many other foreigners I know , is completely the opposite !
When I first came here , more than 3 years ago , the school advised me to come on an L ( tourist) visa and that they would change it to a Z (working) visa shortly after my arrival which in fact they did very promptly. The school in question is in fact a VERY reputable school , and one of the most famous in China. Having had some knowledge of the visa procedure , I expressed my doubts to them about the L visa , but they assured me that the procedure to obtain a Z visa from the Foreign affairs bureau is a very complicated and tedious one IF the proposed teacher is not yet IN China. This has also been the experience of almost all of the foreigners I know here , ALL of whom are currently placed with 'reputable' schools.
I can bear this out even more. When I went home to my own country last Spring Festival , it was a rushed affair and I hadn't time to get a re-entry visa. No problem ! I still had my Foreign Experts certificate , a copy of my contract , and a letter of confirmation from my school stating that I had to return for the new term after the holiday. So I applied for a Z visa in my own counry at the Chinese embassy and was told by a high ranking official to alter my application to an L visa. I asked "Why?" Simple , I was told , if I applied for a Z visa they would refuse it. I was understandably confused and asked why he could not give me a 'working' visa. His answer was that I shouldn't ask WHY , just trust him ! Needless to say , he was right.
I hope this is of some use to you and anyone else who is thinking of coming here. I just felt that your original message might just scare a few people off , when in fact this procedure , in my experience , is quite common.
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Lee_Odden

Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 172
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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magicman wrote: |
I , like many others , agree with the points you have made here with one exception.
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3. Reputable schools are authorized by the government to hire foreign experts and will send you the proper paperwork for you to obtain your Z-Visa (work Visa) before coming to China. If a school urges you to come to China to work on a L- or F-Visa (promising conversion to a Z-Visa after arrival), that most likely is a warning sign that the school is not authorized to hire foreign experts. You should not come to work in China with anything but a Z-Visa. |
I honestly think that you should rewrite this part because my experience , and that of many other foreigners I know , is completely the opposite ! |
Magicman - I am certainly no expert on Visas in China. My question is this: why come to China to work on an L-Visa when it doesn't take any longer (at least in the U.S.) to obtain a Z-Visa (assuming you have the proper paperwork)? The problem is this one: if there are any difficulties or delays, the teacher is now working illegally with little recourse, often not in possession of his/her passport. This leads to all sorts of messy problems including extortion which has been reported extensively on this forum - "Oh, you want to leave because I haven't paid you the entire agreed-upon salary; fine! - I will require a breach of contract payment of 10,000 RMB and, oh, by the way, you didn't receive your entire pay because you broke the water cooler, you cracked the sink and you damaged one of the walls in the apartment." Now, the teacher is completely at the mercy of the school. What are you going to do then? You have no passport, no green book and you are facing fines of up to 5,000 RMB for staying in China with an expired L-Visa.
I still think it's a mistake to come to China to work with a tourist Visa even though, I agree, it does work out alright for some. I personally wouldn�t do it but, then again, I don�t like taking risks when I can avoid them.
(PS - Thanks to everyone for the kind words and positive feedback!) |
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Ludwig

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 1096 Location: 22� 20' N, 114� 11' E
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Odden is quite right, of course. A Z visa is no problem at all as long as there is (at least) a letter of invitation. If no Z visa is readily supplied, then something somewhere is surely afoot.
Here in HK, a Z visa for the Mainland can be had on a same day basis at China Travel Services, as long as all documentation is in order. Indeed, the official line emanating from the Mainland authorities here at least is that this is the method preferred by both Mainland employers and the powers that be. |
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cimarch
Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 358 Location: Dalian
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent work Lee.
This should be a Sticky. |
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magicman

Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 18 Location: Zhejiang Province , China
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Odden is quite right, of course. A Z visa is no problem at all as long as there is (at least) a letter of invitation. If no Z visa is readily supplied, then something somewhere is surely afoot. |
Perhaps you don't accept the details in my post. I will stress again . . NOTHING was 'afoot'. Myself and other foreigners had no problem whatsoever coming in on an L visa and getting it changed later.
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Here in HK, a Z visa for the Mainland can be had on a same day basis at China Travel Services, as long as all documentation is in order. |
Perhaps you should read my post again. I made it clear that obtaining the Z visa IN China was not a problem. Hong Kong IS part of China.
I understand everyone's concern here and agree that a great deal of caution is advised. I just thought that to say to someone , Do NOT come to China on anything OTHER than a work visa was a little too strong.
( Still a great post though ! )
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Ludwig

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 1096 Location: 22� 20' N, 114� 11' E
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magicman wrote: |
Perhaps you don't accept the details in my post. I will stress again . . NOTHING was 'afoot'. |
I would beg to differ. Given how easy it is to secure a Z visa, if an employer claims to not be able/willing to provide such a visa, something most certainly is afoot.
If you want to believe that HK is part of China, then that is fine. There are a few million Chinese not allowed to come here who would disagree, however. |
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magicman

Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 18 Location: Zhejiang Province , China
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Ludwig said . . .
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If you want to believe that HK is part of China, then that is fine. There are a few million Chinese not allowed to come here who would disagree, however. |
So by your ( warped ) reasoning , Shenzhen too , isn't part of China.
Whatever restrictions you care to discuss do not alter the fact that one place is part of another or not.
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I would beg to differ. Given how easy it is to secure a Z visa, if an employer claims to not be able/willing to provide such a visa, something most certainly is afoot. |
If it is SO SO easy to acquire a Z visa , then why do SO SO many legitimate , respected , and reputable schools , go down the route of L visas for foreigners NOT already in the country.
I will say this again. If you are thinking of coming to China and your potential employer suggests you come in on an L visa , then it does NOT neccessarily mean there is something 'afoot' , IN MY EXPERIENCE.
A degree of cynicism can certainly help one get along in this 'lovely' country , but it would appear you swallowed the box. I already suggested that a degree of caution is warranted. What more do you want ? |
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Sechelt
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Not to anyone's surprise, an excellent post Lee. In 1 1/2 years in China, I've experienced more ups/downs, frustations/elations than I ever envisioned. I often wonder how my bloodpressure stays low- of course, I've never had it tested right after shopping, travelling, banking...
Most frustrations come when dealing with various bureaucracies- Chinese seem particularly good at generating red tape. As you pointed out, just identifying the right person/office to contact for one need or another can be mind-numbing.
A word on visas: Yes, coming to China with a Z Visa in-hand is best- IF possible. As with in the U.S., getting a Chinese Z Visa is relatively pain free in Canada. That said, some schools prefer/insist you obtain an L Visa (I suspect it is easier for THEM). As suggested in the original post, do as much research as you can, on your prospective employer. If you ascertain them to be reputable enough for you to consider offering your services, this can be translated into them being able to easily apply for/obtain your Z Visa and other necessary documents (FE Certificates, etc.). A special note: the school I was at last Fall, went the L Visa route for 9 years. However, last year, they were told (in no uncertain terms) this practice was to stop. The PSB FAO of Liaoning Province would not allow this to continue (the school had been switching visas, for 30-odd teachers at a time! Perhaps this had something to do with it ).
I would add a word on banking (at the risk of repeating what has been written on Kevin's post). If possible, avoid the Bank of China (or, Bank not of China, as I tend to call it). In addition to an amazing array of bureaucratic silliness, TBC can be quite restrictive in its practises: an ATM card I received while in Changsha, couldn't be used outside of Hunan Province (despite their claims to the contrary- even after I returned and explained my difficulties. Ironically, a TBC teller in Shanghai knew of the restriction- simply by looking at the card! ). |
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ymmv
Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 387
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:36 am Post subject: |
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magicman wrote: |
If it is SO SO easy to acquire a Z visa , then why do SO SO many legitimate , respected , and reputable schools , go down the route of L visas for foreigners NOT already in the country.
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Two different Chinese FAOs in two different cities at two different schools authorized to hire foreign experts have told me that due to the fact that foreign "teachers" sometimes don't show up after the school has gone through the time, effort, and cost of getting the invitation letter and sending it abroad, that it's just easier for them to do it all here once they have a warm body in place on an L-visa. To them, the paperwork and cost is not insubstantial and they were tired of being stung by no-shows. (N.B. they were in cities where the local PSB WOULD change an L to a Z-visa for authorized schools. Not all places will do this.)
Also, it takes time for them to get the invitation letter (I believe it involves the local city FAO and the local Education Bureau) and get it in your hands overseas. So if time is short, especially summertime when school is out and most school administrators, who have to chop the required application documents, are not at school, the school may ask you to get an L or F-visa on your own and they'll convert it when you get here.
P.S. One of them also confided to me, that another reason they might go the L to Z route is to see what the "teacher" is "like" once (s)he arrives.
Moral of the story: It isn't ALWAYS true that a school that asks you to come on an L-visa isn't legit. However, it is true that EVERY place that isn't legit will ask you to come on an L or F-visa. So caveat lector. |
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