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nickole28



Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: new to this. need help Reply with quote

Hi people!!

I am new to this whole thing. i am taking my tesol soon and hopefully it will do me some good.

i was considering working in 3 places as a starter: 1) taiwan beign on the top

i have heard some positive and negative comments about working in tawian. BUT i have also heard that it is the best place to go when one is starting out teaching english. is this true?

also i heard that jobs in taiwan make good $$$ per month such as 70,000 NT. is this good or bad?

what does the average person make montly and how much of it goes to rent and bills?

any suggestions to some good places to work?
thanks for any advice!!!
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James_T_Kirk



Joined: 20 Sep 2003
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Location: Ten Forward

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i have heard some positive and negative comments about working in tawian. BUT i have also heard that it is the best place to go when one is starting out teaching english. is this true?


I'm afraid I have no experience with Taiwan (but I lurk on this forum because I am interested in maybe going there next year), so I am really not in a good position to answer your questions. However, I just wanted to say take all comment/opinions you hear about Taiwan, or any other place for that matter, with a grain of salt. You are going to hear positive and negative comments about every destination...no place is perfect, and if there is a perfect place that someone found, he or she is keeping quiet about it! Taiwan might be a good place for you to start...what exactly are you looking for in a destination? Good job environment? Lots of money? If you share those details with the forum I am sure you will get better answers.

Good luck,
Kirk
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Aristotle



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full time pay (30 to 40 hours a week) should average between 80,000 to 100,000 per month. People on salary are paid considerably less than people paid by the hour.
Find two part time block hour positions paid by the hour close to each other or at the very least an easy commute (MRT).
Get a multiple entry tourist visa for business purposes and do your homework.

Please read this,
http://www.geocities.com/taiwanteacher2002/Success.html
Good luck,
A.
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mjed9



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
Posts: 242

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: new to this. need help Reply with quote

nickole28 wrote:

BUT i have also heard that it is the best place to go when one is starting out teaching english. is this true?


As a first country it is a pretty good choice

nickole28 wrote:

also i heard that jobs in taiwan make good $$$ per month such as 70,000 NT. is this good or bad?


Things here are generally cheap but it is also easy to spend a lot especially if one insists on living like a westerner. NT$70,000 is not too bad at all. I'm not sure I agree with Aristotle's averages but I know some people who have put their noses to the grindstone and can earn (and save) a lot of money here, usually (if not always) by having more than one job.
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Ki



Joined: 23 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are those 30-40 hours teaching hours, Aristotle? I guess if it is paid per hour it must be. That is a lot for a newbie, let alone most people to be teaching. The standard is usually about 25 teaching hours and if you have a contract you will probably do some office hours as well, making the total work time 30-40 hours a week.

If you opt for the 'not paying tax' route you will probably be enrolled in Mandarin classes which, although are not compulsory to attend, you may as well as you are paying for them anyway. So teaching 30-40 hours a week as well as learning Chinese 10 hours a week is perhaps too much for a newbie to tackle.

$70,000 is the standard salary for a salaried position. If you go through a recruiter or chain school this will drop to $50-55,000 or even as low as $43,000. On $70,000, if you teach 25 hours a week, roughly 100 hours a month, this will make your pay to be about $700 per teaching hour. Realistically, you should be able to save US$1,000/month, more if you teach the hours Aristotle mentions.

Try to decide what age group you want to teach. You will probably end up working for either a cram school or a kindergarten, the latter being somewhat illegal, not sure about the current situation.
Ki.
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wombat



Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
Full time pay (30 to 40 hours a week) should average between 80,000 to 100,000 per month.


These figures are absolutely ridiculous. Teachers working in Taiwan are either paid a monthly salary or hourly. The monthly salaries generally encompass both teaching hours and administrative hours. On hourly rates you generally only get for the time that you spend at school teaching.

The average starting rates for individuals with no previous teaching experience and no teaching qualifications would generally be around NTD50-65,000 monthly salary, or NTD550-600 per hour for those on hourly rates. If you have something to offer a school then you can negotiate for a slightly higher rate of pay, but certainly nothing like the figures quoted by Aristotle. I doubt that you would find it easy to secure a position starting at NTD70,000 a month unless you either had something to offer, or were just particularly lucky.

Any school that offered new teachers (without experience or teaching qualifications) the NTD80-100,000 that Aristotle talks about isn't really a school that I would recommend. After all, what kind of a school offers so much above the average rate for new teachers, when offering that sort of money they could easily snag teachers with three to five years teaching experience here in Taiwan. Possibly only schools that are either very poorly managed and likely to be out of business very soon for wasting money, schools with such a bad reputation locally that no foreigners living in Taiwan would go anywhere near them no matter how much they offered, or illegal schools.

For Aristotles figures to be correct, these teachers would be getting NTD625-666 per hour. Any teacher that was teaching kids for 30-40 teaching hours a week would burn out very quickly, and therefore these hours as teaching hours are unrealistic. What actually happens in these full-time positions is that the school will require the teacher to be at the school for the 30-40 hours, but generally only teaching for about 25 hours a week or less. The rest is spent on administrative duties, and no school is going to pay you NTD600 odd dollars an hour to correct homework when they get a local Chinese teacher to correct it for less than NTD100 per hour.

Aristotle - Maybe you would like to provide the names of just three schools that you know of that offer NTD80-100,000 to newbies. This would help to support your claims.

Aristotle wrote:
Good luck, A.


Yes, you are going to need luck if you try to follow this guys advice!
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matchstick_man



Joined: 21 May 2003
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Location: Taiwan

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was earning far more an hour salaried than I am now being paid by the hour. I was previously earning 50,000 NT a month for 80 contact hours and then paid 600 an hour if I worked over 80 hours a month. That works out as 25 NT less hourly doing more work. There are good and bad hourly and salaried jobs.
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