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[wailingtraps]

Assuming a teacher has no other docs ...ie residency permit etc....Z visas are actually transferable right, ie one can go to another province and change jobs......

I know the visa thing has been done to death..but I searched around and couldn;t find a definitive answer to this.


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The
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[Roger]

Your assumption is diametrically opposite of what's true. Why should you be allowed to get a work visa sponsored by employer A in location a, then you smell coffee in location z and get hired by employer Z?
That employer must have the right to hire you in the first place, and you must pass through all the loops of a regular hiring process again.

As simple as this. You start from scratch again! No rights or privileges to just decamp. leaving your debts behind!
And your current employer can stop you doing this - by refusing to give you a release letter!

[Spiderman Too]

There is absolutely nothing whatsoever on the 'Z' visa in my passport, which I obtained on the strength of documentation provided by my employer-university, which in any way, shape or form identifies the university.

This term, 1 successful job applicant was sent the necessary documents to obtain a 'Z' visa by this university and he later e-mailed them that he was in Shanghai and had accepted an alternative job offer.

I can recall recently reading a post (on a thread that had nothing to do with 'Z' visas) wherein the respondent said he was working for a school other than the one who 'sponsored' his 'Z' visa.

[Ludwig]

[burnsie]

A Z visa really only allows you to enter the country to come to work. Once arrived you have 30 days to do your medical, get your foreign expert certificate and then apply for your work permit ie residence permit.

So if you are saying that you don't have any documentation (other than your 30 day Z visa) then you should be in the clear.

I just hope you have enough time to get your work permit before the 30 days expires.

Actually as Spiderman 2 points out you can change your employer other than the one that sponsors you.

Just make sure you keep your residence permit (when you get it), you need to get out of the country. Don't let the school hold it. Give them a copy but not the original. The foreign expert certificate is different, it's related to your employer. If you change employers then they can keep this, you don't need it.

Hope this helps.

[ymmv]

This is a new one, but I'm going to take a stab at it. Roger, Burnsie, Spiderman and Ludwig are all correct on the germane (nod to Ludwig) points.

Technically, it isn't allowed (Roger), there is a tracking code on the visa stamp (Ludwig), people have been able to do it (Spiderman), and whatever happens, you MUST obtain your Residency Permit within 30 days of entering on your Z-visa (Burnsie).

Not much help in sorting out the problem for you.

My uneducated guess is that if your new school can get you the local Residency Permit based on your current Z-visa, that's fine. The Residency Permit, as Burnsie points out, is the critical document.

The original sponsoring documents (as Roger mentioned) from the original sponsor as encoded in the Z-visa (as Ludwig mentioned) may be required to get your FE Cert. from the local FAO and Work Permit (from the local Ed. Dept.) or Alien Work Permit (from the local Labor Dept.) depending on who is going to hire you. Or, if your local government isn't so strict (or your new employer has guanxi), it may not be necessary (as Spiderman's anecdotal evidence points out).

So in the end, the answer, as is so often the case in China, is "It depends".

Not much help, I know. But let us know what happens because, as you said, it's a new one to add to the endless merry-go-round of visa questions.

[wailingtraps]

Thanks one and all for the help.......except for you Roger....

I think I raised a valid point and it has been cleared up as far as possible.

On a separate note..Roger you are well out of order. After previously giving me seriously duff advice and not having the decency to even apologise I think your sneering attitude reflects very badly on yourself. Look at the contributions to this topic and ask yourself the question: Was I being helpful? or just trying to make a pithy statement?

This has got nothing to do with running out as you seem to think. I am in a position where I have been seriously misled by my school about many things. I just needed some advice on my visa situation. It came thanks to the decency of the other posters.


I wish you all well and a lifetime in english corner for you Roger.


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The Wailer

[Roger]

To wailingtraps:
I have never given YOU any false information, full stop! If you didn't like what I answered look on how you phrased your question in the first place.
I have seen a few backpackers, sorry: if you are not one of them feel free to regard yourself as not being intended - that came here for illegitimate reasons. Frankly, I am tired of helping the wrong chaps out there - the suckers, opportunists, I don't know...

On the other hand, I am also still learning; it would seem that the work visa now is no longer able to identify your remployer. This was brought up some one year ago when many people had a one-month work visa while they also had a residence permit that covered the whole contract period of their employment. To all of us it was new that you could stay longer than your visa said.

But not everyone has been ranted such a one-month visa; I have a twelve-month work visa plus a residence permit; they are concurrent.

The intention, however, of the lawmaker is still the same: to grant a work permit and work visa only to those who come here after having been duly vetted (visaed). If you change your employer without the new employer having the right to hire you then obviously, you would be circumventing the legal provisions.

Let me assure you that I know what I mean. My boss made a serious blunder many years back - when everybody had a visa that traced them to their school: he dispatched me to the East, 2000 km from where I was legal, and the PSB there promptly spotted me, waylaid me one late evening, escorted me back to my abode (illegally housing me), checked my docs, then let me stay for the night, but returned later to take me to the police station for a serious discussion interrogation.
Luckily, I could make it plausible that my staying and working in that location was through no fault of mine; I could have been deported and fined.
In the end, my boss paid a hefty fine. In retaliation, he chucked me out of his school. I still had 9 months to go on my visa, so I freelanced - knowing, of course, that it was not legal, but what choice did I have???

[wailingtraps]

So telling me a schools location and being out by about 40 km is right...See an earlier thread...luckily I managed to rectify that mistake and went to a different place. Still you boobed and didn;t even have the grace to admit it.......As far as your comments on backpackers..that's your own personal issue..don't take it out on me or anyone else.

In short....I asked a legit question and you were rude and unhelpful(again!)..can I hear an apology...no..nice attitude pal........maybe look at yourself first before ranting about illegitimacy ,suckers and so on.


Once again thanks to everyone who made an effort with this.

The Wailer!

[wailingtraps]

If you're H of D refuses to return your passport how illegal is this? I have been denied both my ickle green book and my passport...i'm figuring not returning the passport is definitey a no-no ...any opinions?......


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the wailer

[Sinobear]

Contact your nearest embassy or consulate and explain that your school is witholding your passport. They can "advise" the school to return it to you. The Residence Permit is your property. The local PSB can "advise" your school of the necessity of having that book in your possession at all times.

Sounds like you picked a winner of a place to work