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sidjameson · Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 629 Location: osaka

We've all seen the posts that pop up on these boards about which is the best country to work in and where the big bucks can be had. Just wondering but what do you think is the worst country out there. By this I mean a country that has a definite EFL industry, no worth pointing out that the money is difficult to get in the further reaches of Norht Korea Smile

I'm talking about regular positions that one could expect to get. And of course it is in relation to the local cost of living.
I'm guessing it could be the Uk(London) itself where a full time(25 hrs) teacher might be working 10 of those hours just to pay the rent.
What do you think?

Ben Round de Bloc · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946

Snoopy · Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 185

The Gulf Arab states. Ignorant "students" who have no intention of looking further than the nearest FWD or camel, incompetent administrators who tell you that you are doing it wrong and that there is a new "system" starting yesterday . . . I've served my sentence in the Middle East and wild camels would not drag me back.

leeroy · Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 777 Location: London UK

London pay sucks, but the students are often really good.

thelmadatter · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:56 pm Post subject: worst

I dont know if this answers your questions but I cant imagine what might convince me to teach in US public schools. Substituted for one day - got called b__ch to my face and got a very interesting anatomy lesson sitting in a stall in the girls bathroom. Until we finally wise up and realize that "discipline" is not a dirty word ... Ill stay in Mexico thank you...

jeddahteacher · Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 291 Location: Arabia

USA.
News from Michigan

http://www.angryharry.com/index.html
http://www.mlive.com/news/jacitpat/index.ssf?/base/news-10/1096560510205470.xml

Summary:

A former Leslie High School student who framed her teacher for sexual assault was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in the Ingham County Youth Center. Shong maintained throughout her trial that she was raped by Fry.
Fry died in June from complications of a heart attack. He was 49.

Ben Round de Bloc · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946

JosephP · Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 445

I've never taught in a US high school. That does sound rather grim.

Ludwig · Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject:

South Africa, particularly in Johannesburg.

jeddahteacher · Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 291 Location: Arabia

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/10/school_violence.php
Then there’s Carmen Santana’s grandson, Abraham, who attended Camden High School. After two boys hit him in the face, broke his nose and chipped his teeth, Abraham was afraid to go to school. Guess what. His grandmother was charged with allowing truancy when she kept him home while she tried to get permission for him to finish his senior-year studies at home. Lisa Snell reports that “more than 100 parents have removed their children from Camden schools because of safety concerns. The school district’s response: a truancy crackdown.”

Nationwide, there were approximately 1,466,000 violent incidents that occurred in public schools in the 1999-2000 school year. Violent incidents, according to the U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, include rape, sexual battery other than rape, physical attack or fight with or without a weapon, threat of physical attack with or without a weapon, and robbery with or without a weapon. Most school violence occurs in inner-city schools. During the 1999-2000 school year, 7 percent of all public schools accounted for 50 percent of the total violent incidents, and 2 percent of public schools accounted for 50 percent of the serious violent incidents.

Students aren’t the only victims of school violence. Between 1996 and 2000, teachers were the victims of approximately 1,603,000 non-fatal crimes at school. There were 1,004,000 thefts from teachers and 599,000 incidents of rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault and simple assault.

poro · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 274

JT, those numbers are indeed disturbing, but the best way to give them meaning is to express them in terms of crimes per 100,000 of school population, and then to compare them with the stats of other countries.

(Sorry to be pedantic, but we are teachers, after all.)

kev7161 · Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China

The country that allows a person to end a question in a preposition. (Sorry, just poking fun . . . couldn't resist)

carnac · Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: Kevin7161 prepositions

Dear Kev7161 -
Your point about ending a sentence with a preposition...is what? You seem to think there is a rule? Please elucidate, and explain the origins of this rule and the justification, so that we may be guided. Thanks so very much. Also, while you're at it, please explain the rule about split infinitives and where these rules came from (oh, hell, I dropped a preposition, damn!). It would be ever so helpful.
We peasants would be very grateful. Thanks.

Stephen Jones · Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124

Robert really appears to be having bad luck. First he has to pull his pants down for the Saudis, and then when he goes to China, home what everybody considers the joint-greatest cuisine in the world, he finds the only bad restaurant!

As far as I know the salaries outside of Shanghai tend to be low (though not the lowest in the world by a long shot), but the hours in universities or elsewhere appear to be on the low side. Robert presumably has been dealing with particularly awful employers.

I always though the longest hours were in Korea.

poro · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 274