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A.K.A.T.D.N.
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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 Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject: TO A NON-DEGREE PERSON IN TAIWAN |
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THere are teachers on the lam here, so don't doubt your credentials. MOst of them will soak it all in and take the criticism all in stide, just chidin that they've found a job. Many might even look down their noses at you AS IF YOU CAN TEACH ENGLISH!! But acually, it's a skill, and one that takes patience and intelligence.
Met this guy from Canada said he was making NT130,000 a month. SO what. Had his head shaved and his pride on tight, just like the little cymbals he played for class. Made me look stupid and all, a little irate, this guy giving me the third degree about discipline and all. It just makes me sick tht the Chinese don't care about anything but savvy survivalhood.
I think teachers that are qualified should stand for their rights. ESL isn't a free-for all. Korea knows this quite well, but I knew guys that had taught there for over seven years and outdid me. SO tey thought. I consider my degree of importance, not just because it's a degree. BUt because it says I can study, and have, so I must guide the students to do the same.
BEtter I'd come here with no teaching degree and no experience and just played the fool. IT might suuit them better.
Sounds stupid, I know. BUt the hassle of fighting two wars, you're own kind nd the Chinese at work, is not worth it. Then they want me to learn CHinese.
Korea was a much better deal. Escape this place, unless yo want to made looked upon as an idiot. |
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Fortigurn
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| I don't mean to ask personal questions, but are you on the hooch again AKATDN? |
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TaoyuanSteve
Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: Taoyuan
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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I would take a guy with no degree and the right attitude over you any day of the week, AKATDN. The guy who supposedly earned 130000 per month likely got to that level of pay and hours by being good at what he does. You should have listened and observed. Instead you judge.
Your degree and your experience don't mean a thing if you're in the wrong field. It just says you've wasted alot of time and you've got alot of experience doing a job poorly. You are entitled to nothing. Everything you can/may aquire must be earned. I'm sick of people with entitlement issues. "Oh, I've been in this field for Xyears and I have Xnumber of letters after my name." So? All that means nothing if you suck. You are entitled to nothing, but you can earn alot. Get over yourself. Learn from successful people here. You've moved here form Korea that means you are starting over (5 years in Korea= 0 here). Learn how to be successful here. The irony here is you think I'm a Know-it-all. The best advice I could give you is: Drop the know-it-all attitude AKATDN. Accept mentoring from successful teachers, even if you don't think they're qualified to breathe the same air. But I'm talking to a brick wall. |
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A.K.A.T.D.N.
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:51 am Post subject: |
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I would take a guy with no degree and the right attitude over you any day of the week, AKATDN. The guy who supposedly earned 130000 per month likely got to that level of pay and hours by being good at what he does. You should have listened and observed. Instead you judge.
Your degree and your experience don't mean a thing if you're in the wrong field. It just says you've wasted alot of time and you've got alot of experience doing a job poorly. You are entitled to nothing. Everything you can/may aquire must be earned. I'm sick of people with entitlement issues. "Oh, I've been in this field for Xyears and I have Xnumber of letters after my name." So? All that means nothing if you suck. You are entitled to nothing, but you can earn alot. Get over yourself. Learn from successful people here. You've moved here form Korea that means you are starting over (5 years in Korea= 0 here). Learn how to be successful here. The irony here is you think I'm a Know-it-all. The best advice I could give you is: Drop the know-it-all attitude AKATDN. Accept mentoring from successful teachers, even if you don't think they're qualified to breathe the same air. But I'm talking to a brick wall. |
You'd take this guy!! Good for you. Someone without a degree!? Even better.
I wonder why we should have degrees at all then. Make us look good, proud, trying to use our voice, our experience, instead of two cymbals that don't compute to anything in comparison but Keep them kids happy, they noit learn Okay! Then you get paid a couple of grand a month for nothing-Yeah, you can do this, if you're a lousy teacher and one with no integrity at all as to your purpose here.
BUt see, he taught music, and I taught conversation. Maybe it worked, his shaved head but full of rocks. |
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TaoyuanSteve
Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: Taoyuan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| Whine after endless whine. Rant, rant rant! Still another crApPy PoEm WiTh CapitAliZaTion IsSuEs And HoRriBle SPALLING. |
Yes, I'd take someone with no degree but the right attitude over someone with academic credentials but no aptitude for teaching and a lousy attitude. Why get a degree? I'm not shooting down university education. It definitely relects well on an individual if s/he has graduated from uni. And, for places like Taiwan, you'll need a degree to work legally as an English teacher. However, on its own, a degree does not entitle you to anything. It doesn't automatically make you a good teacher.
Then again, experience doesn't automatically make you the better teacher either. Some people get lazy, complacent, burn out or develop huge egos that get in the way of their ability to improve themselves as teachers. Degrees and experience look great on a resume, but you have to prove yourself in the classroom. Your employers will know if you're suitable soon enough. If you suck, that will show through in short order.
I'm tired of this masquerade you try to carry on about being this ideal, perfect uber-teacher in such a corrupt, imperfect world. Schools don't want you and your "real" teaching because you're just too good for them. Oh, Puleeeeease! As we read how you get bounced from job to job and country to country (currently illegal here), we're not likely to conclude that you're a high quality instructor, or believe your claims to that effect.
You make mention of a guy who taught music. Great! Music is a great way to teach children a language. I do it all the time. Fun games and activities are also good. I play games daily. Gets the kids talking and reinforces what has just been taught.
You see, this is what you don't get: Your first school fired you very early on. They made an assessment based on your ability to work with young children. Despite all your qualifications and experience, you can't get in a room with small kids and not freak them out. I bet they thought long and hard before they canned you too; bet they gave you a few chances in the hope that you'd improve. Foreign teachers are gold here and relatively hard to replace. They canned you because you weren't going to be able to cut it (100% chance it was because they were getting complaints about you from kids, parents and coworkers as well). Now you can continue this "woah is me" victim mentality. You can continue to blame the Chinese for your problems (I wonder what you wrote about Koreans when you were in their country); you can continue to lash out at us here for complaining about your rants and wasted space here on this forum site; or you can take a good look at your patterns and problems and take some personal responsibility for them. |
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A.K.A.T.D.N.
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| Whine after endless whine. Rant, rant rant! Still another crApPy PoEm WiTh CapitAliZaTion IsSuEs And HoRriBle SPALLING. |
Yes, I'd take someone with no degree but the right attitude over someone with academic credentials but no aptitude for teaching and a lousy attitude. Why get a degree? I'm not shooting down university education. It definitely relects well on an individual if s/he has graduated from uni. And, for places like Taiwan, you'll need a degree to work legally as an English teacher. However, on its own, a degree does not entitle you to anything. It doesn't automatically make you a good teacher.
No, You're all on this "right attitude kick" instead of leaning back and imagining what a right attitude as a teacher consitutes, therevbye making some of us certified teachers look lik freaks. LIke you've got a big one to hang over our heads, yours and all. It makes me sick thinking you can debunk credentials in light attitude, the latter of which is an easy wad of cash for someone without credentials to spell why not?
Lay off, joker, cause it sounds like you're illegal yourself and just here to join the CHinee bandwagon. WEll, if you think it means nothing, why complain and defend yourself and that to the law? Freak, meet me and spell your name for the lax law suffocating justice in your name, you liar. {People like you such it up here, not knowing that there's such a thing as legal justice because you lap those big blobs making you feel like you'r eating those muffins at 7-eleven! Hate to come on so harsh, but meet me, name an all clown, I klnew you were a rider here, and I caught you. Strike it rich, and dig your ditch.
Then again, experience doesn't automatically make you the better teachers either. Some people get lazy, complacent, burn out or develop huge egos that get in the way of their ability to improve themselves as teachers. Degrees and experience look great on a resume, but you have to prove yourself in the classroom. Your employers will know if you're suitable soon enough. If you suck, that will show through in short order, something you're pretending is non=-existent.
I'm tired of this masquerade you try to carry on about being this ideal, perfect uber-teacher in such a corrupt, imperfect world. Schools don't want you and your "real" teaching because you're just too good for them. Oh, Puleeeeease! As we read how you get bounced from job to job and country to country (currently illegal here), we're not likely to conclude that you're a high quality instructor, or believe your claims to that effect.
You make mention of a guy who taught music. Great! Music is a great way to teach children a language. I do it all the time. Fun games and activities are also good. I play games daily. Gets the kids talking and reinforces what has just been taught.
You see, this is what you don't get: Your first school fired you very early on. They made an assessment based on your ability to work with young children. Despite all your qualifications and experience, you can't get in a room with small kids and not freak them out. I bet they thought long and hard before they canned you too; bet they gave you a few chances in the hope that you'd improve. Foreign teachers are gold here and relatively hard to replace. They canned you because you weren't going to be able to cut it (100% chance it was because they were getting complaints about you from kids, parents and coworkers as well). Now you can continue this "woah is me" victim mentality. You can continue to blame the Chinese for your problems (I wonder what you wrote about Koreans when you were in their country); you can continue to lash out at us here for complaining about your rants and wasted space here on this forum site; or you can take a good look at your patterns and problems and take some personal responsibility for them. |
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TaoyuanSteve
Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: Taoyuan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps you'd like to explain some of your more garbled (or should we say gargled) sentences and spellings.
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| sounds like you're illegal yourself and just here to join the CHinee bandwagon |
Come again? The only part I understood was the insinuation that I'm also illegal. Can we say projecting? Just because you are an illegal immigrant in a foreign country, does that mean everyone else is too? And what exactly is a "CHinee" bandwagon?
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| People like you such it up here, not knowing that there's such a thing as legal justice because you lap those big blobs making you feel like you'r eating those muffins at 7-11 |
You make as much sense as a monkey on a typewriter. Can't even begin to guess at your intended meaning.
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| joker...Freak...You liar...clown |
Sticks and stones AKATDN. Shows real maturity on your part that you can call people names. Also, lends an aweful lot to your position about qualified, quality teachers. I guess credentials really do make up for serious personality defects, no aptitude for the job, bad attitude, likely substance abuse and poor English abilities.
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| I klnew you were a rider here, and I caught you |
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chi-chi-
Joined: 17 Jul 2004
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Location: In la-la land
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:44 am Post subject: |
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I would take a guy with no degree and the right attitude over you any day of the week, AKATDN. The guy who supposedly earned 130000 per month likely got to that level of pay and hours by being good at what he does. You should have listened and observed. Instead you judge.
Your degree and your experience don't mean a thing if you're in the wrong field. It just says you've wasted alot of time and you've got alot of experience doing a job poorly. You are entitled to nothing. Everything you can/may aquire must be earned. I'm sick of people with entitlement issues. "Oh, I've been in this field for Xyears and I have Xnumber of letters after my name." So? All that means nothing if you suck. You are entitled to nothing, but you can earn alot. Get over yourself. Learn from successful people here. You've moved here form Korea that means you are starting over (5 years in Korea= 0 here). Learn how to be successful here. The irony here is you think I'm a Know-it-all. The best advice I could give you is: Drop the know-it-all attitude AKATDN. Accept mentoring from successful teachers, even if you don't think they're qualified to breathe the same air. But I'm talking to a brick wall. |
Tell em tell em tell em brother man! Hell yes! This is why, after working in all three countries, I would go back to Taiwan in a heartbeat over Japan OR Korean, any day! You need to go to the Japan forum and tell them where to stick it! Finally....I was wondering how long it would take someone to say this on Dave's.
When I was there, SARS ruined it, but by God this is why I love Taiwan,...God bless practicality and "saavy survival."
The place happened to be quite entertaining too.
P.S. Do you mind if I quote you on the Japan forum? I think it would be quite amusing, really....
"Well, I guess you just need to find someone who likes big butts. And cannot lie." |
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A.K.A.T.D.N.
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| TaoyuanSteve wrote: |
Perhaps you'd like to explain some of your more garbled (or should we say gargled) sentences and spellings.
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| sounds like you're illegal yourself and just here to join the CHinee bandwagon |
Come again? The only part I understood was the insinuation that I'm also illegal. Can we say projecting? Just because you are an illegal immigrant in a foreign country, does that mean everyone else is too? And what exactly is a "CHinee" bandwagon?
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| People like you such it up here, not knowing that there's such a thing as legal justice because you lap those big blobs making you feel like you'r eating those muffins at 7-11 |
It's just the fact you think you can use attitude as a means to make a degree obsolete. The attitude is in the paper, not the head.
I see some of these teachers with no credentials making this their home here, like they call the shots. It's really foolish, becuase anyone without a degree will be Mr. Nice guy, and join the Chinese bandwagon. This bandwagon is being illegal and making you feel like you are one as such.
Again, I'm not illegal. Just old, and tired of immature hiring procedures and people, guys and gals who think they can join the Chinese mentality and make you quake in your boots because they're using you. I czll such people names.
Hey, we're here because the government demands a degree, not the other way around. I know Korea resects this. THe sleight of hand some of the teachers use here to get the ball in their court kind of makes me laugh.
You make as much sense as a monkey on a typewriter. Can't even begin to guess at your intended meaning.
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| joker...Freak...You liar...clown |
Sticks and stones AKATDN. Shows real maturity on your part that you can call people names. Also, lends an aweful lot to your position about qualified, quality teachers. I guess credentials really do make up for serious personality defects, no aptitude for the job, bad attitude, likely substance abuse and poor English abilities.
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| I klnew you were a rider here, and I caught you |
LOL |
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A.K.A.T.D.N.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:19 am Post subject: |
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I would take a guy with no degree and the right attitude over you any day of the week, AKATDN. The guy who supposedly earned 130000 per month likely got to that level of pay and hours by being good at what he does. You should have listened and observed. Instead you judge.
Your degree and your experience don't mean a thing if you're in the wrong field. It just says you've wasted alot of time and you've got alot of experience doing a job poorly. You are entitled to nothing. Everything you can/may aquire must be earned. I'm sick of people with entitlement issues. "Oh, I've been in this field for Xyears and I have Xnumber of letters after my name." So? All that means nothing if you suck. You are entitled to nothing, but you can earn alot. Get over yourself. Learn from successful people here. You've moved here form Korea that means you are starting over (5 years in Korea= 0 here). Learn how to be successful here. The irony here is you think I'm a Know-it-all. The best advice I could give you is: Drop the know-it-all attitude AKATDN. Accept mentoring from successful teachers, even if you don't think they're qualified to breathe the same air. But I'm talking to a brick wall. |
Exactly what is your attitude. TS, to deceive the students and the government? Is this the right way to teach or to be a teacher? |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:33 am Post subject: |
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So, AKTDN, about the hooch...  |
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