Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Teaching 'ability'...
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
dyak



Joined: 25 Jun 2003
Posts: 630

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:46 pm    Post subject: Teaching 'ability'... Reply with quote

I've just seen an job ad that specified the, 'ability to teach in a multi-level classroom', as a requirement.

Does anyone have this ability?
Does anyone want this ability?
Can a multi-level class actually work?

I can only remember wanting to crawl into a hole and die in (unexpected) 'multi-level' classes.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Stephen Jones



Joined: 21 Feb 2003
Posts: 4124

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Multi-level classrooms can work for some subjects. Foreign languages isn't one of them.

If you get one, either teach to one level, and ignore the other, or spend a third of the time with one level, a third with the other, and the other third running around like a blue-'arsed fly trying to organize it all.

But if they mention it in the advertisement the answer is simple. Get another job.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
moonraven



Joined: 24 Mar 2004
Posts: 3094

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. It means that the employer is too cheap to hire the number of teachers needed (and too ignorant of how language learning takes place to be worth your time.)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Posts: 2021
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time I've ever seen a multi-level class actually work was when it was divided into different groups with a different teacher (volunteers) for each group and a head teacher (paid) who was essentially making all the lesson plans for each group (but each volunteer teacher was given a lot of leeway in how much of the lesson to present).

But then, each group operated as a seperate class (complete with own white board and markers) and the only things that connected them to each other was the head teacher who knew what was going on with each level at any given time (she received reports from each volunteer teacher at the end of the session) and the fact that they were all in the same room (which was very useful, because it was a Board of Education class and if the attendence went below fifteen -total number of students in the room- then the funding would be scrapped). It did mean that the volunteers could go to the head teacher with issues in the middle of a class if absolutely necessary, or hold off on that part until after the break (classes were three hours, for adults and included a fifteen minute break roughly half way through) and talk to the head teacher then.

It was in Canada and it worked well, but again- not really a "multi-level class", more of a series of classes with heavy reliance on volunteers all in the same room because of massive under-funding.

Some beginner classes have false-beginners, so the class very quickly become like a multi-level class (but generally each student is still in the right level- it's just that on a scale of one to ten each level contains three levels- 1-3, 4-6,-7-10- ok, four numbers for the last one).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dr.J



Joined: 09 May 2003
Posts: 304
Location: usually Japan

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first I thought that multi-level classes were unworkable. But then, when I was a baby I thought walking was pretty hard too...

OK to be fair you have to take quite a different approach! But in all seriousness this is what public school teachers of any subject do every day, am I not right?

To me the basic principle is to get the students to teach each other. Smarter students often like a teaching role that recognizes their ability, and not-so-smart students get more attention than you could give them as an individual.

To do this you need them to be in very close groups, and often the best way to do this is with projects that have a clear aim rather than unrelated textbook exercises. This is really what I mean by a different approach - getting them to work together.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
spidey



Joined: 29 Jun 2004
Posts: 382
Location: Web-slinging over Japan...

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hold the boat!!

Dr. J....you can remember when you were learning how to walk?

I'm impressed. Razz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Roger



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Posts: 9138

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr.J wrote:
At first I thought that multi-level classes were unworkable. But then, when I was a baby I thought walking was pretty hard too...

OK to be fair you have to take quite a different approach! But in all seriousness this is what public school teachers of any subject do every day, am I not right?

To me the basic principle is to get the students to teach each other. Smarter students often like a teaching role that recognizes their ability, and not-so-smart students get more attention than you could give them as an individual.

To do this you need them to be in very close groups, and often the best way to do this is with projects that have a clear aim rather than unrelated textbook exercises. This is really what I mean by a different approach - getting them to work together.


Dr J.,
you sound like a totally convinced Montessorian. They do that at their kindergartens. But then again, those Montessori kindergartens don't imnpose on the kids a strict schedule and subjects to study within a given time frame.
Now that seems to be the problem: a syllabus gives you specific objectives that presuppose that a foundation has been laid to build on top of it. At kindergarten level where everything is "basic", a child can teach other children. But at primary school level? Secondary schools? There is too much competition, so I can't see how this can work with students of differing skill levels.

It certainly won't work in China.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
valley_girl



Joined: 22 Sep 2004
Posts: 272
Location: Somewhere in Canada

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I come across a job ad for a teacher of 'multi-level classes', I will be running, not walking, in the other direction. What a nightmare. Confused
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Sheep-Goats



Joined: 16 Apr 2004
Posts: 527

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:25 am    Post subject: Re: Teaching 'ability'... Reply with quote

dyak wrote:
I've just seen an job ad that specified the, 'ability to teach in a multi-level classroom', as a requirement.

Does anyone have this ability?
Does anyone want this ability?
Can a multi-level class actually work?


Yes, yes, yes.

If you've got a class with more than 15 kids in it, odds are pretty damn good that it's multi-level. If you're dealing with public education fallout odds of a multi-level class are pretty damn good. This ability is a prerequisite to being an adequate EFL teacher, IMO, and it's truthfully not that difficult to obtain -- to a satisfactory level.

For the most part, it generally means you should have a way to make each activity easier (do it with the teacher) and harder (Find the vocab words and write a sentence using them in the same amount of time). It's not a bad idea to have this in place anyway, in case you've misgauged the activity to your students' level(s) in the first place.

Furthermore, some students who have an intermediate communicative ability will have a beginner's grammar level, and vice versa, etc etc. Meaning different kids will go into different activities throughout the lesson. This is good anyway, as it gives the kids more of an opportunity to learn from eachother. This type of learning offers good retention rates.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Stephen Jones



Joined: 21 Feb 2003
Posts: 4124

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question is whether what you are teaching depends on what came before. That is true of foreign languages, which is why multi-level teaching doesn't work and why public schools that don't stream have almost zero success in teaching them.

First languages and literature, social sciences, and even to some extent secondary mathematics and the physical sciences can all be taught in multi-level classes with varying degrees of success.

However in Private language schools students are paying to make progress - which is why multi-level teaching is rare.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Guest






PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 16 classes per week (of 40 minute duration) and they are ALL multi-level. In each class there are children who simply do not understand what I am saying and children who can have a decent conversation with me (plus ones in between).

They are all about 12 - 14 years of age.

I actually think this is the HARDEST part of teaching here - trying to help the ones who are behind with their oral English while not allowing the others to become bored.
Back to top
SueH



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Posts: 1022
Location: Northern Italy

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sheep-goats,

I'd have to disagree - at least with some situations I have found. I teach a bit of Italian part-time to English adolescents and they have differing language abilities - but at least I can communicate with them. (Frankly too much L1 I'm afraid, but that's another issue).

I've also been teaching (up to half-term anyway) ESOL to multi-level groups. Dyak will know what I mean when I say in the worst case I had E1 to L2. In other words (like Rhonda) the blank looks and the reasonably fluent, and it was just impossible. Now I've re-organised the groups the learning experience has improved for all concerned.

Even within levels there are difficulties, and I take your point about spiky profiles. In my E1 (lowest level class) I have a reasonable speaker who doesn't even know the alphabet and is illiterate in L1. Another new Chinese student had the other students in fits of the giggles as no matter how much I simplified my language she still understood hardly anything and the smile on my face became more of a rictus! I just hope her much older English husband speaks Cantonese...

So - avoid the job like the plague I'd say...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dr.J



Joined: 09 May 2003
Posts: 304
Location: usually Japan

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean I actually remembered learning how to walk, just that all things seem like a challenge at first.

Competition is a fact of life, but then so is cooperation, and there is no reason why both can't be utilised. In my original post I mentioned using tasks that will bring the group together - perhaps in competition with other mixed groups thus making the most of both tendencies.

I must admit I didn't know about the Montessori method. I do agree with it in principle, though it's still important to teach children that the world isn't so nice. I also concede that when you have strict 'targets' and deadlines then mixed classes are often unworkable. But in the long term they may still develop as quickly as streamed classes (and turn out to be better people too).

I also mentioned before that ordinary high school teachers in our home countries deal with mixed classes every day as a matter of course. I don't see them running in the opposite direction.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
joshua2004



Joined: 26 Sep 2004
Posts: 68
Location: Torr�on, Coahuila, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am running my own language school. I adhere to cooperative learning principles and am having great success. Multi-age classrooms work and are the only way to go, in my humble opinion. I am willing to share any of my insights in how to make this possible. That is all.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ben Round de Bloc



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Posts: 1946

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joshua2004 wrote:
Multi-age classrooms work and are the only way to go, in my humble opinion.


Playing the devil's advocate here . . . Would you put children (say, 12 years old or younger) in the same class with adults if they were at the same language-proficiency level?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China