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[stillnosheep]

Back to topic: After the election:

Well if Bush is really stupid he'll probably order US troops into Fallujah, (perhaps closing off the hospitals in the hope that casualty figures won't leak out - but that would be really short term thinking) and hope to god that the photos of US soldiers handcuffing patients never reach the rest of the world leading to increased resistance to the US, the sickening of the US electorate and growing world support for the Iraqi resistance ...

nah, surely even he is not that stupid...

[Ryry]

Moonraven said:

[moonraven]

Of course there was rampant fraud in the election! There always is, but it only matters when it's a close race. The conservatives fielded two candidates, and the one from Massacusetts was not supposed to win. The exit polls, which were used by Wall Street brokers but were not made available to the public at large the morning of the election (I had to go to a VENEZUELA news site, www.aporrea.org, to get their results) showed Kerry winning in both Ohio and Florida by a sizable margin. If you don't believe that, ask yourself this: Why did Kerry "fold" so fast? His maudlin "unification" speech accepting defeat came hot on the heels of his running mate's statement that they would wait another day.

The real suckers in all this were not the functional illiterates and/or Bible belters who voted for Bush, but the folks who volunteered and donated money to the Kerry campaign thinking that he was a real candidate. Some of those folks are pretty angry about having been taken in.

See www.commondreams.org for a number of pretty good post-election pieces.

[Ryry]

You didn't answer my question. Where did you get the information that 3 million arab-americans were not allowed to vote, or denied their vote.... that is a pretty specific and serious charge.... and frankly I do not believe it. But willing to give the benefit o' the doubt.... where did the info come from?

Cheers,

Ryry

[moonraven]

Your question was not posted when I wrote my last post. The issue of 3 million arab-americans and other minorities being denied their right to vote is just a little bit complex--I suggest that you do an internet search about how minorities are eliminated from the election rolls instead of expecting ME to spoonfeed you. I am not attacking you, either--but laziness leads to complacency and complacency leads to folks like Bush being elected.

As for your term "charge" and your being willing to give me the benefit of the doubt--this is not a prosecutor's office, and I wasn't asking for that. Do some research and then make up your own mind.

[Ryry]

Well, Moonraven, looks to me like you made a charge that you can't support... just sort of invented it.... and I am sure that it is not true.

I did not support the election of Bush. But, I think the majority of Americans did vote for him.

I would say that if you make a specific charge you have a responsibility to specifically prove it, especially when it is a charge such as the one you made.

You may not ask or require my benefit of the doubt, fair enough, but you will lose all of your credibility.

Ryry

[Communist Smurf]

[XXX]

The only state that has anywhere near that amount of Arab Americans is Michigan. Perhaps she doesn't know that Mich. went for Kerry. Anybody who would quote a Chavez inspired site HAS to have done far too many sugar cubes in the 60's. I do believe the trips has done got to her brain.

[Communist Smurf]

Nearly all the states that have the majority of the minorities went to Kerry. Ergo, if the minority vote was supressed, it would only hurt Kerry.

Loon' would rather believe in a conspiracy theory than reason, even if a conspiracy didn't support a reason for the theory.

CS

[extoere]

LoonRavin': "the real suckers ..."

Loon, there you go again!
Can't we have an intelligent conversation without your revolting sexual comments?

Enough, awready!

Well ... maybe just a quickie!

You on the Plaza tonight?

ex

[blue jay]

[extoere]

BlueJay: True enough, I suspect. Certainly, a lot of Americans buy their drugs at better prices through Canadian outlets without the attendant worries of purity. If stronger government intervention has ever been needed, it's in this area of wholesale, unconscionable capitalist greed within the ranks of drug companies. I think it's an outrage that U.S. public health officials allowed our flu vaccine supply, for instance, to be controlled in such a constricted way. Universal health coverage is not yet a universal right; not anywhere. There are always holes in coverage. But ours is reaching a ridiculous point with no easy solutions anywhere in sight.

cheers,
ex

[distiller]

I hate to rail against anti-Bush people, but the fact is that we lost. Until we can come up with substantiated proof to the contrary we have to swallow it and start asking how and why. I think there may have been some funny business with the voting machines but I don't know. We don't want to sound like looney conspiracy theorists.

The exit polls were off by the same margin this year as they were in 2000 and only leaned towards Kerry marginally.

John Edwards came out for a few minutes in the middle of the night to say that they wanted to be sure that all the votes were counted especailly the provisionsal ones. Kerry made his consession the next day after the advantage to Bush in the counted votes outnumbered the the total of provisional votes. He could have waited but the result would have been the same.

I am all for finding any possible fraud in the election but it has to be well documented and not paint us as sore losers grasping for straws. The real question is: What do we do next?

[mesmerod]

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