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nawlinsgurl
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 Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:43 am Post subject: is there a dislike for the minorities? |
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Ok I have been in japan now for nearly two weeks and have noticed a strange trend. It seems as though a lot of foreigners dislike minorities. By minorities I mean the Blacks, Hispanics, and others. While the Japanese don't seem to mind, it seems as though British and Americans do. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just in my tiny area of Japan?  |
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bearcat
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Im suprised you didnt pick up on this problem before coming here. Its pretty common unfortunately. |
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Celeste
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| Huh? Where are you, exactly? I am in Fukuoka, and we are one big multicultural, multiracial happy family (as far as I can tell from the people that I have encountered). I hope that the people you have encountered are anomalies, but if you need someone to chat with or anything else, e-mail me or pm me. |
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AgentMulderUK
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:52 am Post subject: |
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' The minorities'
Interesting choice of words?
Perhaps you should go to Africa and ask about the minorities there..... |
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canuck
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: is there a dislike for the minorities? |
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| nawlinsgurl wrote: |
| Ok I have been in japan now for nearly two weeks and have noticed a strange trend. It seems as though a lot of foreigners dislike minorities. By minorities I mean the Blacks, Hispanics, and others. While the Japanese don't seem to mind, it seems as though British and Americans do. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just in my tiny area of Japan? |
I'm Canadian and I don't care what your skin colour is. I think most educated British and Americans over here don't care either. Pretty insulting to British and American people here. A lot?  |
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nawlinsgurl
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Location: Kanagawa and feeling Ok....
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:59 pm Post subject: correction |
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Let me correct myself a bit.
"A lot" may have been a bit too broad. Sorry for that. But out of the 15 or so that I have met, at least 10 of them seemed prejudice or racist against at least one major group of minorities. And sorry if that was broad, but I'm from America, where the minority groups are anyone who isn't the majority, i.e. gays/homosexuals, Blacks, and etc. So sorry if that was too broad.
In the same hand I have met some awesome people from other countries who are intelligent and open-minded, but...there have been more who are the opposite.
In the same statement, I had my roommate tell me to MY face that she never wanted to go to America, b/c there is "no diversity or culture there". I hope this clears my qestion up and shows that I truly wasn't trying to affend anyone. |
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Nismo
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| That wasn't the case in Tokyo or Osaka/Kobe. There was one exception - Roppongi. The drunken white American sailors always seemed to pick fights with the expat African club owners. I usually steer clear of Roppongi, though, because the company suits the atmosphere - trashy. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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nawlinsgirl and bearcat,
You will find prejudiced people all over the world. In my experience, the foreigners are not as prejudiced as the both of you make them seem. |
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bearcat
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:08 am Post subject: |
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nawlinsgirl and bearcat,
You will find prejudiced people all over the world. In my experience, the foreigners are not as prejudiced as the both of you make them seem. |
Glen,
I guess it depends on what you are thinking concerning this. And the environment and conditions you live and work in here that would lend credence to whether or not there is validity in my comment or not.
I am not seeking to make it out to be more than it seems. I have worked for more than one company/group inwhich foreigners made the decisions of who was hired for employment. And they were explicit about minorities. Granted they may or may not have been acting on the orders of their Japanese superiors, but some of those situations it was not just the turning away but the afterhours discussion given up concerning it as well. Nor were they all American(one was). There were instances of a Canadian, two Australians(one originally was British tho), one New Zealander and one was Hungarian(strange huh).
I've also seen examples of this as well in reguards to social situations too but those are more subtle.... except for one instance that comes to mind at a nomikai.
Thus in my experiences here in close to 7 years, it has seemed to be fairly common. Granted, I don't live where you live Glen nor do I work in the situation that you do. Perhaps if I did/had, I could report the same as you have.
And just so you know, Im not a minority... well beyond being a foreigner like others here in Japan  .
But Glen, Im speaking from what I've been privy to. You may feel up where you are that its not so common. But down here I've got a different prospective. |
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AgentMulderUK
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There may be a dislike by some of 'us' British and Americans for 'the minorities' (whatever that means), if those minorities are always complaining about being discriminated against to the extent it actually becomes reverse discrimination.
Does that help? |
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Nismo
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| bearcat wrote: |
| Glenski wrote: |
nawlinsgirl and bearcat,
You will find prejudiced people all over the world. In my experience, the foreigners are not as prejudiced as the both of you make them seem. |
Glen,
I guess it depends on what you are thinking concerning this. And the environment and conditions you live and work in here that would lend credence to whether or not there is validity in my comment or not.
I am not seeking to make it out to be more than it seems. I have worked for more than one company/group inwhich foreigners made the decisions of who was hired for employment. And they were explicit about minorities. Granted they may or may not have been acting on the orders of their Japanese superiors, but some of those situations it was not just the turning away but the afterhours discussion given up concerning it as well. Nor were they all American(one was). There were instances of a Canadian, two Australians(one originally was British tho), one New Zealander and one was Hungarian(strange huh).
I've also seen examples of this as well in reguards to social situations too but those are more subtle.... except for one instance that comes to mind at a nomikai.
Thus in my experiences here in close to 7 years, it has seemed to be fairly common. Granted, I don't live where you live Glen nor do I work in the situation that you do. Perhaps if I did/had, I could report the same as you have.
And just so you know, Im not a minority... well beyond being a foreigner like others here in Japan .
But Glen, Im speaking from what I've been privy to. You may feel up where you are that its not so common. But down here I've got a different prospective. |
Where is "down here"? If anyone discriminates, it is the Japanese employers. There is no doubt they prefer blonde-haired white females above anyone else, followed by blonde-haired white males. They never really try to hide that, and they admit the reason they hire the way they do is to "fill expected images of English".
The only reason I have ever bad mouthed anyone else - be they white, black, asian, or middle eastern (all of whom lived in my apartment complex) was because they were being rude to the rest of us "non-Japanese". If you live in a foreigner-affiliated apartment complex, and choose to not talk with the rest of the foreigners no matter how hard they try to extend conversation to include you, you are rude or socially inept and you need to fix that. The color of your skin does not affect that. |
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bearcat
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| Down here would be Chubu as Glen is in Hokkaido if memory serves and thus the down reference. |
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Sheep-Goats
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Wait... Some white people are racist?
Damn. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Glen is in Hokkaido if memory serves |
Yup, just look at my avatar and you'll see where I am.
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| If anyone discriminates, it is the Japanese employers. There is no doubt they prefer blonde-haired white females above anyone else, followed by blonde-haired white males. |
Interesting comment, since there are more foreign male teachers in Japan than female ones. I don't know the ratio of blondes to redheads to brunettes, etc., though.  |
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chi-chi-
Joined: 17 Jul 2004
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Location: In la-la land
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There are minorities teaching, however it seems like, percentage-wise, most people are blue-eyed blondes and red-heads, with very pale skin.
A person with red hair, blue eyes on a working holiday visa will have lengthier interviews and a much easier time finding a job then a minority, or a perceived minority with a college degree. And that's a fact. |
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