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dyak



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:16 pm    Post subject: Expulsion for not speaking English? Reply with quote

From the FAQ section of 'International Language Schools of Canada'... interesting policy!

Does anyone teach in a school with a similar policy?
Is this the way to go?

The schools in London would be empty within a week.

Do you have to speak English when you are in the school? Even when you are not in class?

YES! We have a strict English only policy at ILSC. You are here to learn English. In Montreal, it is a strict English or French only policy where students are expected to adhere to the spirit of the rules. If you are an English speaking student studying French, you are expected to use French only. Same for French students studying English. The English only rule is in effect throughout the school and is enforced by staff and student volunteer "language patrols". If you are caught speaking your native language you are given a warning the first time. If it happens again, you are given a one week suspension (you do not get your money back for this time). If you are caught a third time you are expelled from the school.
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joshua2004



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Expulsion for not speaking English? Reply with quote

dyak wrote:
Does anyone teach in a school with a similar policy?
Is this the way to go?
The schools in London would be empty within a week.


This is typical "traditional", grammar, authoritarian teaching methods gone very bad. This IS NOT the way to go. In fact, language gurus such as Stephen Krashen suggest never forcing speech from students and allowing it to "immerge" on its own.

If I were in your shoes, I would let the students speak however they feel comfortable. Don�t get yourself in trouble, but also don�t feel bad for violating such an unfounded rule.
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valley_girl



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a common policy for full immersion programs, particularly in Canada. I attended French immersion years ago and they did have a "three strike" policy - two warnings and then an expulsion. They also had a Wall of Shame in the cafeteria, where the names of those who'd been caught (once, twice, or three times) speaking English would have their names posted for all to see. It was a bit amusing, actually. (For the record, I never had to see my name on the Wall of Shame. Cool )

In our program, we do have a language policy that includes not speaking any language other than English in class. We also don't allow students to have bilingual dictionaries or electronic translators in class. If they are caught using any of these crutches, they lose half a point from their participation mark (10% of their final). It could mean the difference between passing and failing in the end, so we've found this to be effective. My colleagues and I agreed to implement this policy because we believe strongly that translating into L1 is actually going to slow the students down. We want them to become immersed in the language and to sharpen their reading and listening skills so that they will be able to figure out what is being said without the aforementioned crutches. Things like guessing the meaning from context, using prefixes, suffixes, and root forms of words, or even recalling a previous encounter with a word or phrase are much better, and faster, ways for students to learn their L2 and the best ways to become fluent overall. Furthermore, translations are not infallible. Far too often, students will come up with the wrong definition or the wrong word or phrase because they translated word for word.

I think "English only" is a great policy to have. Students may balk in the beginning, but sooner or later they will (hopefully) see the value in it.

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lajzar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is better, for a student to look up a word in a bilingual dictionary (electronic or otherwise), or for a student to sit in stony incomprehending silence?

Bilingual dictionaries are a language learning tool. Banning them seems counter-productive to me.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

English-Only policies are common in Vancouver schools. I worked at a school similar to the story posted, only stricter. They could not even speak their native language on the street within a block of the school and we as teachers were to enforce that if we heard it in a nearby Starbucks. Yeah right!
However, the rules were generally appreciated by students and students' expulsions were very rare (once in the 2 years I was at the school). Basically the student opposed any effort to speak English. What were they doing at the school any way?
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife attended a French immersion program in Quebec where they had one warning and then they would be placed on the next plane back and no credit for the course. They could only speak French 24 hours/day and "spies" would listen outside their doors to make sure they didn't speak English. She could only speak English while making a long distance phone call.
Draconian, yes but also effective.
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:32 am    Post subject: Surviving an "English only" environment Reply with quote

dyak (quoting the ILSC) wrote:
You are here to learn English. In Montreal, it is a strict English or French only policy where students are expected to adhere to the spirit of the rules.


It is quite an interesting idea, although it can sound utterly draconian. Imagine if a student did get expelled and had to go home and explain sheepishly to the people who sponsored him or her that he or she had been expelled for speaking his or her L1.

This kind of policy certainly does require a kind of "spirit", yet I am certain that this could never work in China. Imagine if a private language school were to have such a policy, practically every single student would be "expelled" under such rules and the parents of young learners would march on the schools with journalists in tow, demanding that money be paid pack immediately as well as condemning the practice.

If there was a "Chinese only" policy at a language school exclusively for foreigners in China, I think the management would be shooting themselves in the proverbial foot if they were to expel every foreigner who spoke his or her L1 outside of class or even in their dorm rooms. These foreigners would be paying a lot of money (and I mean "a lot", because foreigners are supposed to be rich! Shocked ) for their courses, and having an "if you're kicked out you get no money back" policy would act more as a deterrent to people coming rather than an incentive to people studying.

In China, the only rules the Chinese play by are their own. This has much to do with the mentality that pervades here that money talks - or, rather, dictates. If people pay money, they demand that they get what they paid for. I would not be in the least surprised if English schools in anglophone countries that enforce an "English only" policy never have any Chinese students because, as every expat teacher in China knows, they would talk in Chinese given the least chance.

However, the education system in China is mostly to blame for this reliance on L1 because the system does not encourage students to think on their feet. Put a "typical" Chinese student in a school outside China where there is such an "English only" policy, and that student would simply crack, because he or she would not have the capacity to think about how to communicate exclusively in the L2.

The best chance of a Chinese student surviving such an environment would be if one or other of the parents is an English teacher, who might enforce a kind of "English only" hour at home during the evening, so that the student could rely only upon English as a linguistic tool of communication.

If only such a time at home could exist for every child learning a foreign language, then most Chinese would no longer regard an L2 as an obstacle, but as an intellectual challenge. However, the unfortunate fact is that most Chinese parents do not speak English and are therefore in no position to help them improve their English speaking skills.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="lajzar"]Which is better, for a student to look up a word in a bilingual dictionary (electronic or otherwise), or for a student to sit in stony incomprehending silence?

Bilingual dictionaries are a language learning tool. Banning them seems counter-productive to me.[/quote

Finally a cmmonsensical question!

My answer would be:
Yes, students SHOULD use dictionaries, though I would prefer monolingual ones such as Cobuild, an Oxford Pocket dictionary for English learners or a Webster. Not a L1/l2 dictionary, if it can be helped!

But I note that many of my colleagues even frown on the dictionaries some of my more enterprising students do use. Why? OK, in conversation classes, this is not ideal, but in writing lessons I thoroughly advocate it.

On the other hand, strict English only policies - that sounds very much like regimentation and boot camp! It is similar to imposing a smoking ban - people will do it secretly, or be cast out!
It's an authoritarian approach!
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