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AgentMulderUK



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonester wrote:


Only good news is that I am now counting down the days until December 16th when I will depart Narita in a plane bound for the land down under (Australia) where I will spend 3 weeks with my family for Chrissie and New Year and will not come back until January 8th. That date cannot come soon enough as it is so terrible here at the moment. I really want this nightmare to end but it just won't go away. It's in my face every second of the day and the resulting depression I feel is crippling.



Why don't you just go home now then, if things are too bad?
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lou lou



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AgentMulderUK wrote:




Why don't you just go home now then, if things are too bad?[/quote]

I think Tonester is being very brave and considerate in sticking out his contract and being there for his companions.

I genuinely hadn't realised how bad it has been for you Tonester and I hope your time at home will enable you to return to Japan refreshed and ready to start again. From other threads we have came into contact on, I have gotten the impression that you are a lover of Japan and it would be terrible if this unfortunate incident prevented you from being there. Drop me a line if you need a chat Smile

lou lou
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Nismo



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AgentMulderUK wrote:
Why don't you just go home now then, if things are too bad?


Probably because he doesn't want to lose his job and he must adhere to his contract. You can't just leave your job whenever you want to - you have to schedule off time.
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Tonester



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Location: Ojiya, Niigata Pref

PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AgentMulderUK wrote:

Why don't you just go home now then, if things are too bad?


Mulder,

Do not misunderstand me. I never said I hated Japan but when you have been the victim of an earthquake like I have you feel depressed and that things will never go back to normal. Your comment has upset me as you obviously do not know what it is like to have been in the epicentre of an earthquake just slightly lower on the richter scale than the Kobe earthquake and nearly get killed!!!

Try coming to Ojiya and seeing for yourself the situation I live in. Destruction everywhere!!!!! 3 of my students were killed!!! Houses crushed! No water! Try saying to me those same comments again once you've come and seen the state my town is in.

Also did I say I hated Japan, period? No, I did not! When I mentioned hate it was to do with living in a place almost destroyed by an earthquake, not hating Japan just because I can't adapt as a lot of people on this board love to assume.

No I am not a whiner so do not label me as such. Go home? I still have a contract I must adhere to and cannot just get up and leave. I still have to see it through to the end, mate. I will move to another area in Japan once my contract has finished as I feel that I cannot trust this prefecture. I really wish you read my post properly before posting such comments.

Sorry I sound so harsh and emotional but I posted my last post so that everyone could get an idea of what it is like to be in the middle of an earthquake and I will not stand for anyone flaming me just because I feel upset at living in my current area.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonester,

Every time we feel an aftershock or a jolt in Tokyo, we think of the people in Niigata. Our deepest sympathies from our school on the loss of your students and the hardships you are facing.

I know it's a drop in the bucket, but our school is putting together a blanket drive and we're contributing funds to earthquake relief. We can't be there, but it's the least we can do to help those who live with the results of this quake.

I think you're very brave to stick it out to the end of your contract. I'm sure your colleagues would forgive you if you left now, considering the hardships that you have to endure.

I've never been through an earthquake, but I've also lost students before. This week, my school is having a memorial to one of our boys who died in an accident a year ago. All the teachers pulled together to help the kids cope with the loss. It's important to honour the people we've lost and I'm sure that your presence is of comfort to others there in your town.

Meanwhile, it's very important to take care of yourself. If you need resources, just ask.
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markle



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:04 am    Post subject: oz Reply with quote

Tone
Do you think that part of the cause for the depth of your reaction could be attributed to coming from Oz, a place not known for earthquakes? I mean I've been through a couple cyclones so the prospect of going through another doesn't faze me.
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Tonester



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your support everyone. Well I can understand that being from Oz can have something to do with my reaction to the tremors but I did fear for my life when the shaking started. Even now aftershocks are continuing but their intensity is getting lower and I can finally sleep better now. Water will be restored within the next few days so I guess I will now be able to pick up the pieces of my life now and start to rebuild it. It'll take time for me to get over it but hopefully my time home should make me feel much better.

I will reiterate that I do NOT hate it here in Japan (like Mulder automatically assumed just because I chose to give a complete description of my situation and my feelings forthwith! Mulder, if I misunderstood you I offer my apologies but your comment did sound very harsh and unsympathetic. I bet if you were in my boots you would have gone back on the next plane but I guess you being in Tokyo you never felt the tremors as much as I did........) and I will stick out my contractual obligations as a 2nd year JET. I am in doubt whether I'll renew my contract but hopefully after some counselling I'll be able to make a better informed decision when the time comes.

My earthquake experience will not change my feelings for Japan. I love being in Japan and only if Ishihara Shintaro becomes the next PM (which I doubt, despite that radical bigot's popularity) would I ever decide to start to hate living in Japan.


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Nismo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How bad was the shinkansen derailment? There were only 20 fatalitites, so I assume the train accident wasn't too bad. That's surprising, and rather amazing that it is the first time in the shinkansen's history to have ever derailed. That would have been a bad ride.

I'm rather used to earthquakes, having been born and raised in Southern California. I remember when the Northridge quake hit, and the one up in the Bay Area when the double layered freeway collapsed on itself. I thought the minor tremors were rather fun in Japan last year, but there is no way I would have wanted to be in Kobe in '95 or Niigata this time around.
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Tonester



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was not that serious but it took a long time to get it lifted as the job required the use of a crane. Pretty dangerous work, not to mention that as the work was being done to lift it another aftershock occurred and undid all their efforts.

You certainly do not want to be where I am as the situation has left Ojiya in a rut. Not only rebuilding but there are people who still do not have any gas or water or even a home any more Sad
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Mike L.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Tonester I feel for ya that was a big one.

Hopefully, once you get back to Oz for some RR you'll have a chance to think about things and come to a decision about moving.

I have to say if you thinking of moving to entirely avoid earthquakes there a quite a few places to be avoided in Japan. Might be futile.

take care, Mike.....
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks you for your candid comments Tonester. I've only had small earthquakes and can't imagine being in a big one. I think I have a better understanding of what went on from your description. Thank you. I pray you have a good holiday and are able to emotionally return to Japan.
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nawlinsgurl



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know about the BIG earthquake supposed to happen in the Shizuoka area? I moved here not knowing and apparently this is a major fault line? Any truth to that? Question
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Nismo



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nawlinsgurl wrote:
Does anyone know about the BIG earthquake supposed to happen in the Shizuoka area? I moved here not knowing and apparently this is a major fault line? Any truth to that? Question


Every year, there is a rumor amongst foreigners that there is going to be a huge earthquake in [insert prefecture] around the month of [insert month here] and it will be so large it will wake the dormant Mt. Fuji and Japan will turn into the comic book/movie Dragon Head (doragon heddo). http://www.dragonhead-movie.jp/

There is no scientific method to predict earthquakes. It's one of those urban myths everyone loves to throw around, so that they sound informed.

PS - if you haven't already seen Dragon Head, don't bother - at the end the only emotion you can express is the desire to somehow gain two hours of your life back.
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AgentMulderUK



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonester wrote:
AgentMulderUK wrote:

Why don't you just go home now then, if things are too bad?


Mulder,

Do not misunderstand me. I never said I hated Japan but when you have been the victim of an earthquake like I have you feel depressed and that things will never go back to normal. Your comment has upset me as you obviously do not know what it is like to have been in the epicentre of an earthquake just slightly lower on the richter scale than the Kobe earthquake and nearly get killed!!!

Try coming to Ojiya and seeing for yourself the situation I live in. Destruction everywhere!!!!! 3 of my students were killed!!! Houses crushed! No water! Try saying to me those same comments again once you've come and seen the state my town is in.

Also did I say I hated Japan, period? No, I did not! When I mentioned hate it was to do with living in a place almost destroyed by an earthquake, not hating Japan just because I can't adapt as a lot of people on this board love to assume.

No I am not a whiner so do not label me as such. Go home? I still have a contract I must adhere to and cannot just get up and leave. I still have to see it through to the end, mate. I will move to another area in Japan once my contract has finished as I feel that I cannot trust this prefecture. I really wish you read my post properly before posting such comments.

Sorry I sound so harsh and emotional but I posted my last post so that everyone could get an idea of what it is like to be in the middle of an earthquake and I will not stand for anyone flaming me just because I feel upset at living in my current area.


What are you going on about?
Who said you hated Japan, not me.Really doesn't seem much point in posting on this site anymore if people just don't read things properly.

I was just suggesting that if it's really bad for you, perhaps an early plane home would be beneficial for all concerned. I do sympthasize with your situation.

(Just for the record, I have experienced worse, FAR worse)

As you for you,Nismo, thank you so much for more 'stating the bloody obvious'
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Nismo



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AgentMulderUK wrote:
As you for you,Nismo, thank you so much for more 'stating the bloody obvious'


I hope you never lose all of your pizazz.
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