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[guty]

Who did the research that shows why 'most' hookers do it? Was it a post grad project? Biffa is right about the ex-communist world, where it can be a serious money making career.

[Wolf]

[biffinbridge]

In the Middle East we are all TEFL whores....burn bitch burn.

[slaqdog]

the book english for pro's may nt exist but it shuold...
More in'eresting question why do pimps become pimps and can you explain the diff, 'tween a pimp and tour current DOS?

[reality]

Is a Woman or a Man who gets married for "Security" a Prostitute?. Is a woman who chooses Bob the Lawyer over Bill the Cleaner, because of his income, a Hooker?. If so, most of the western World, including the USA has a higher percentage of prostitutes than East Asia.

[ESL Guru]

It would appear that none of you are experts in the sense that you are not currently nor have ever been either pimps or whores. Maybe some of you are named "John" but that is a different story.

It is all about supply and demand. Market side economy.

In all of its forms and perversions, it is about money, money in someone's pocket for an economic reason. It is an ugly business in any of its forms. No romance in any aspect, not in using or in being used.

It is business. It is slavery if forced, even in marriage there can be rape.

It is a very bad thing to some and to others it is a way to reduced sexual crimes.

This is a very complicated social issue that can neither be understood nor appreciated with simplistic one liners.

There is no glory nor honor in being a pimp, *beep* or "John." It is simply a fact of everyday life that some become involved, some willingly and others not.

[TitanicWreck]

Im totally for the world wide legalisation of prostitution..

(at least until the advent of holo-brothels, which wont make the scene until 2087)

Those who ban prostitution, particulary in the US, do so from a base of Christian conservatism...

Granted, kiddie porn and prostitution should not be tolerated anywhere,and those who engage in such should be punished severley-

But consenting adults who exchange money for a shag are simply partsipating in one of the earliest forms of capitalism...

[johnslat]

Dear TitanicWreck,
I'm a John and, admittedly, I was occasionally a john in my younger days. I agree that it's a complicated issue and on the question of whether it should be legalized, I'd say that would be the lesser of two, not evils, maybe, but poor choices. What I dislike most about the commercail transaction is that, when you engage in it, you're treating another person as a thing. And that, I think, is a bad habit to get into. It may be simplistic on my part, but I see sex without love as mutual masturbation. It's a lot cheaper and safer to do that on your own - moreover, you don't have to dress up and you'll probably still respect yourself the next morning.
Regards,
John

[johnslat]

Dear TitanicWreck,
I'm a John and, admittedly, I was occasionally a john in my younger days. I agree that it's a complicated issue, and on the question of whether it should be legalized, I'd say that would be the lesser of two, not evils, maybe, but poor choices. What I dislike most about the commercial transaction is that, when you engage in it, you're treating another person as a thing. And that, I think, is a bad habit to get into. It may be simplistic on my part, but I see sex without love as mutual mast urbation ( had to do that to keep from getting " beeped " ). It's a lot cheaper and safer to do that on your own - moreover, you don't have to dress up and you'll probably still respect yourself the next morning.
Regards,
John

[Newfoundland]

If its a ? of wether or not it should be legalised, the answer is YES. Its been around forever and will continue to be so trying to stop it is useless. More importantly there is alot more good that could come from it being legalised that it not. Womens safety, health, and MORE TAXES for Bush and other world leaders to spend on weapons. As for the moral issue..... To each their own.

[Stephen Jones]

Does the fact that this thread is only a quarter ot the length of the thread on antecedents to relative clauses, reflect on EFL's teachers high moral stnadards, their passionate intellectual interests, or simply the parlous state of their finances?

[arioch36]

If you truly studied prostitution and sexual abuse (being a conservative whit male I correctly did reasearch work in the Womens Studies field. They had the best grants) you might find that turning to prostitution is not an economic decision. Most women don't do it for the money, and they have little money to show for it at the end of their most productive years (often, when they become 18..the mosty sought after prostitutes [not the most common, but the most sought after] are of a young age). For most prostitutes it is a way of life they become trapped into. They don't have choices, because you must be aware of the choices in order to make them.

Example....young girl sexually abused...becomes run away teen, pimp finds her, rescues her, gives her drugs. These men are professionals at taking a young, scared, confused mind, totally twisting them about what love is, etc.

Legalized prostitution...it exists in many places. I challenge anyone to study the situation, and say legalization has made a difference, a positive one. The Eastern Europe slave trade is alive and well. These girls are either ouright kidnapped, or tricked into showing up for a legit job and forced into prostitution. They will be sadistically treated, and tortured if they show any sign of independent thougt. I don't think any of us would survive as a rational human capable of constructive thoughts. They are taught to report on any suspicious movenments of other girls in the group. They often become sadistic to one another to stay at the top of a pecking order that will give them such luxuries as a warm bed or fresh food.
Where do these girls often end up. A huge supply of them just outside the legal houses of Amsterdam. I have been a John, many years in the past. All I can say is that I was ingnorant of the despicable system I supported by my patronage.

PS...are any of you under the allusion that these girls keep the money you give them???

[Steiner]

What kind of twisted forum will let you use a photo of a c o c k roach as your avatar, but not let you spell the same word? See: cockroach!

And arioch, I completely agree with your last post.

[arioch36]

Steiner,

I was somewhat nonplussed that I couldn't write c ockroach. I see you are getting ready for the summer softball league

[Roger]

There is no need for sociological research into this matter - life tells you frankly.
Let us face it: how many of us guys have ever been laid by a hooker? If you have an opinion on them then you should have some hands-on experience.
I am free from this inhibition to admit that there have been ladies of the night in my life. In some Chinese hotels they ring you up on afternoons and in evenings. It is strictly illegal and risky, but it does happen.
They also beckon from their hair dresser salons. Some walk the streets. Others hang out at taverns, bars and outside places frequented bymoneyed men.
Now if some Western womenfolk still believe these Asian girls are being manipulated, abused and exploited by men - I will forgive them because they can't possibly know as well as I do.
Fact is that many of the3se girls of easy virtue choose their business over other employment opportunities. True, the alternative often is a 400 RMB a month job. And girls always want MONEY. What's more, the MONEY inevitably originates with MEN.
In old-fashioned societies - ex-Catholic, Confucian, Hindi, Muslim - men are providcers of everything. Women like to depend on someone else for that. GIven a chance to make ten times the money a Chinese salesgirl makes without prostituting herself, just working as self-employed businesswoman, they choose prostiution (admittedly, out of a 100% total maybe ten percent would choose the seemingly more 'honourable' line of activity).
And, ask them why they prefer this business: because they do not mind it as much as Westerners might with their Judeo-CHristian morality.
Believe it or not, but some hookers like their business (perhaps not every man that happens to be their customer, but they certainly like the easy way of making money, shopping and enjoying themselves.
The idea that women are always pimped upon, driven to prostitution as a last resort is pathetic and springs from Marxist thought, more exactly: Friedrich Engels!
F. Engels postulated a hundred years ago (feminists: you are terribly, terribly late!) that before the current "unfair" marriage cult people practised promiscuity under a matriarchal order. This was overthrown by males when agriculture went a step further from horticultural production to grain production and animal husbandry, which cost the women their "jobs" as horticulturalists. Believe this if you like; still the question would be: did people that had no stable relationships with members of the opposite gender love each other more deeply? Probably not. Their relationships could not possibly last long enough, and progeny belonged to nobody but the woman. Ideal upbringing for the kids? I wonder...
To be exact: there are triads (Chinese equivalents of Mafiosi structures) in China, there are men that control brothels, to be sure. But by far the majority of women in this business are volunteers.
Just read today that 10% of Wuhan's female tertiary students make money as tarts! Now do tell me: have the criminals penetrated China's universities and colleges???