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[Lee_Odden]

[2 over lee]

Was I arguing with old dog? I simply make a comment on your negativism towards people coming to teach in China at a young age ( many of them do leave afterwards), and then go on to state my own opinion on the topic ( I�m allowed to do that right?).

BTW its funny that you accuse me of being both Ludwig and illiterate, he�ll be steaming!

[Lee_Odden]

You really do have reading comprehension problems. My comments, precisely like Old Dog's, were directed at those who come to China to "teach" without real degrees and prior teaching experience; at any age. Obviously I hit a nerve or you wouldn't have responded. Or maybe you were simply proving my point (not that you will have any idea as to what I am alluding to).

Dazai - you confided in another member of this forum that you were Peaches en Regalia (i.e., you pretending to be Ludwig). This other member you confided in has a mutual friend who informed me of same. Do you really want to make this a matter of public information? I am game if you are. You admitted to being Dazai publicly, on this forum, and Dazai and English Farce are one in the same. You admitted to being Peaches en Regalia to at least one other member of this forum.

You are a very sick man who belongs in a straight jacket instead of a classroom.

[2 over lee]

Make it public, I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to the Peaches en regallia episode. I notified Sinobear that Ludwig was back in this form, I�m not peaches!!!

Readers can judge for themselves who is the sick one here, you certainly don�t seem to be a very happy man. I suggest you need to lighten up.

I have PMed Sinobear to try and clear this mess up.

[2 over lee]

Lee Odden wrote;

[Lee_Odden]

I am not the only one who is unhappy with the number of trolls, such as yourself, who have taken this forum hostage particularly by using multiple accounts in order to do so.

Thanks for coming clean about Sinobear. But what you don't know is that Sinobear is in correspondence with not only you but Ludwig and Talkdoc as well. Sinobear related to Talkdoc that you admitted to being Peaches en Regalia. Sinobear emphatically denied to Talkdoc that Peaches was Ludwig and he would be in a position to know.

Unfortunately for you, the level of psychiatric care in China is quite dismal.

[Lee_Odden]

[Lee_Odden]

My deepest and sincerest apologies to Sinobear, Talkdoc and Ludwig for any betrayal of confidences I may have violated and any subsequent awkwardness or difficulties I may have created for them. But I feel very strongly against this type of perverted member who hijacks threads with his hidden agenda under different pseudonyms. I believe he needed to be fully exposed. God only knows how many other different member accounts, that I haven't (as of yet) identified, "2 over Lee" is maintaining for the purposes of being disruptive, destructive and vindictive.

[arodeorowdy]

To Lee-Odden, Old-dog and others. Having a degree does not a teacher make. I know 2 teachers who are degreed, but can't teach a group of kids because they're dry, boring and can't hold the kids attention. A degree itself doesn't prove much more than the grad. sat thru the required amount of hours and passed x number of exams. Does this mean s/o can teach? I think not!
I also know an Aussie who used to be a farmer, but with only one year teaching in Thailand below his belt he does a dam good job of teaching preschool children here in SZ. I would rather have this former farmer with an experience in life teaching my child instead of a new college graduate holding only a non-teaching degree.
Cheers to all, Rowdy4bush

[2 over lee]

Again readers will be shocked at the hate in your posts Odden.

The bottom line is of course that you are WRONG and that Peaches and English Farse are Ludwig. I find it interesting that you find our writing styles hard to distinguish, since as you state he is a doctor�s candidate and I�m of average intelligence.

Did the existance of �2 up Lee�strike you as strange?

The truth will win through, let�s see what Sinobear has to say.

As a matter of fact I�m aware that Sinobear was in touch with Ludwig and TD.

Deep breathes man, such anger and hate never got anyone anywhere.

[2 over lee]

Lee Odden wrote:

[carken]

Old Dog,

I love your new avatar! I saw "that man" in Fuzhou City, Jiangxi Province (never to be confused with the Fuzhou in Fujian) in 1993. In fact, I took his picture, but it's a profile. It was summertime, also, and he wasn't wearing a shirt - - ribs, ribs, ribs!

[Old Dog]

I was making a simple point. But perhaps I should expand the point a little:

A teacher, in my view, is a two-fold thing.

First, a teacher is someone who has something to teach. A teacher attempts to impart knowledge. A teacher is one who has mastered sufficient of the content, method of a discipline to have gained some insight into it.

Then, a teacher possesses the techniques of imparting knowledge effectively.

In other words, a teacher knows something worth imparting and he/she knows how to transmit this knowledge effectively.

My point is that, if you come to China/anywhere, without both of these elements, I really don't know what you're doing. Certainly, in posing as a "foreign expert", you are taking money under false pretences. One with content mastery but no technique is useless. One with technique but with no content is like "a sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal". Such a person may speak with the tongue of an angel but he/she will not be a teacher.

I propose a little humility, a trait in which teachers and others are often deficient. If you pose as a teacher and know yourself to be defective in one or other of the two characteristics I have identified, you should be working hard to bring yourself up to scratch. Many here could begin with a knowledge of the English language itself.

[Old Dog]

Sorry to double up.

Here's an idea I 've had for some time. There are plenty of well-known and, if one can believe what anyone writes here, competent teachers who know the Chinese situation and Chinese students well.

Why not organize a vacation seminar with lectures on teaching and teaching method suitable for a variety of situations, basic aspects of language acquisition and some information about Chinese school culture and China's education system.

I would suggest that those in the South East converge on Roger's university and listen to him and watch him in action. His writings indicate that he brings experience, insight and competence. He has strong beliefs about the role of grammar in his work, about the need for strong discipline so that authority is not undermined and yet he reports that his students love him. This is a combination from which everyone can learn. We could use Talkdoc for his lucidity and patience, both qualities worth their weight in gold to the competent teacher.

In the eastern area, you could converge here if you promised to behave. I'd round up a team of competents from the area. I leave it to you to judge from my postings what I could offer, if anything. We could round up Rhonda who has rapidly become expert in many fields and could take under her wing Chinese orphans and the many newbies she has adopted.

Central China teachers could converge on Chengdu, do some in-service and a little sight-seeing into the bargain. And I'm sure there are plenty of people in the north more than capable of offering something to those with a will to learn.

In each location, leaders would teach demonstration lessons for course participants and the leaders' normal work colleagues could be asked to take part in forums in which the strengths of the leaders' performances could be dissected. I think this latter suggestion is important since often the true worth of someone's teaching style can only be truly discerned over a period of time - and work colleagues would be in a good position to assist in teasing this out within a forum.

Is this a goer?

[badtyndale]

Bravo!