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distiller

Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 249
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) that the topic is a rhetorical question meaning quite simply that people are ignorant everywhere. It's stunning how raven was able to twist that very neutral statement into another anti-American rant. There are the underprivileged masses but then there is the rest of the world and the basic fact is that people are uninformed and intellectually lazy uniformly in the first world. There are fluctuations like why the French know more about Spanish politics than the Japanese but most of these instances are the result of geography or similar circumstances and not one nationality�s propensity for knowledge or intelligence over another. To write this trend off as being an American trait consigns you to the very ranks of the intellectually lazy that you are chiding others for being a part of. |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| It's stunning how raven was able to twist that very neutral statement into another anti-American rant. |
Stunning, but not surprising.  |
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Chabui
Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 35
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jpvanderwerf2001
Joined: 02 Oct 2003 Posts: 1117 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:41 am Post subject: |
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I think we've been barking up the wrong tree here.
There is a difference between being ignorant and not being conscious. It's consciousness that we should be inculcating. Some folks are ignorant because they are too poor to be able to interact with a sufficient number of different folks and places. In Latin America many fall into that category. They can still be conscious. And many are.
In places like the US there is no excuse for ignorance--but there is a reason: folks from the US, in the majority, think they are the only people who matter and that no country apart from the US matters. They are both ignorant and unconscious.
The unconscious is a realm populated by unrealized desires, bogey men and things that go bump in the night. When you live there your mode of life is that of fear. |
Thanks, moonraven. Another classic. Keep it up! |
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merlin

Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 582 Location: Somewhere between Camelot and NeverNeverLand
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Moonraven What a bloody funny post. I fell off my chair laughing.
As a reward I'll also assign you the title of Director of Methodology at Rabbit Island. It will be your task to guide us into building an institution that will raise the conciousness of the rabbits of Rabbit Island. Yes, it was wrong of me, perhaps even evil to think of killing the cute little furry but unenlighted and generally worthless indigenous inhabitants of the island. Yes, moonraven, it's all about raising the conciousness of those less fortunate than oureselves, who were born in an enlightened state.
antartica
Yes, indeed. We'll start a franchise. What's the conciousness level of the birds there like? |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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As I said, everyone knows everyone... in a very Biblical sense. I too am disgusted. |
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Atlas

Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 662 Location: By-the-Sea PRC
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:36 am Post subject: |
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I have absolutely nothing of value to contribute to this topic. So here's my opinion:
Mama said stupid is as stupid does. Can anyone tell me what the hell this means?
Chivas Regal and Diet Coke
I forgot her name because the taxi man was barking
Give me a job you ba$tard. |
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juststeven
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 117
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:41 am Post subject: |
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If you mix Chivas with Diet Coke; you know what "stupid is what stupid does".  |
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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distiller--Apparently logic is simply lost on you.
1. I didn't have to "twist" anything, as this thread simply budded like a hydra from the thread "Are American (sic) Ignorant?". It was not, by the way, an anti-American rant, as my post clearly indicated that Latin America (last I checked it was part of America) does have some conscious folks--despite the obstacles here. It was also not a rant, but a measured commentary--and yes, it was anti-US.
2. Are you trying to tell us that folks in the US are NOT ignorant?
3. Anyone who accuses this bird of being intellectually lazy should spend just a couple of days doing what she does on a daily basis. It will wear you out, but mayalso raise your IQ a few points.
And to the Rabbit-obsessed (may say something about copulation style?), no one that I am aware of was born conscious--not even Buddha. Consciousness is arrived at by hard work--and a certain number of happy accidents. |
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merlin

Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 582 Location: Somewhere between Camelot and NeverNeverLand
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Consciousness is arrived at by hard work--and a certain number of happy accidents. |
What accident marked your transformation to the concious, moonraven?
I've been knocked unconcious in an accident before but never concious.
But I'm a bit disappointed to learn that we can't teach conciousness to the poor fluffy bunnies and birdies. |
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